What is happening has been happening for over 2,000 years now ... it is called "Divide and Conquer" ... ever since Augustine encouraged Christians to look at religion Dualistically (+/-) and encouraged the "taking of sides" as in God VERSUS Satan, all of the followers have been doing so and affecting (infecting is more like it) the entire world with that Divisive Philosophy sold by the Religion of that name ...
All of our leaders since then have informed us that (+=+) and (-=-) and like East and West, the twain shall never meet ... divisiveness has been our modus operandi ever since ...
The real Dividers, the "fallen leaders", have taken the role of what Satan would be, if there were such, a hidden secretive position out of our sight, dictating to us what He/They want us to believe ... the same dictated to the visable leaders, religious and secular, who we are encouraged to watch and listen to (just like puppets) as if there were none above them (the hidden puppet masters) ... (politically, as in the case of our Republican and Democratic politicians ... who we are told represent us ... but in fact have all sold their souls already to the ones "above" them) ...
Thus we as followers have went along with the divisions, and think that it is us against them, one division against it's opposite (visable) other ... all the while we play into the hands of those above who control secretly the entire "game" ...
The "Church" has said; hear me, listen to me, follow me and my words ... they have written the bibles to that end ... divide the folks between the good guys, supposedly on the "side of" God and the bad guys, of course then, on the side of Satan ... aware or not, just by default, supposedly, if not actively, taking the good side ... "No Fence Sitting" allowed (Grey areas in between are "off limits", leaving only polarized Duality) ...
Some religious teaching speaks of the Trinity of the Father God, the Son Christ, and the Holy Spirit that INterconnects them all ...
But none seem to understand that the Trinity is a relationship between relative symbols of (+=-) ... where the Father would be the (+) ... the Son, as Creation, including we brothers and sisters of Jesus the (-) ... the most important part, the INterconnecting third, that of the Holy Spirit of GOD, the (=) ... all together (+=-) !
When we then INherit knowingly withIN ourselves, the Holy Spirit as (=), we become "transformed", "saved" and "graced" into the Christ Spirit ... the Same as was the person Jesus in His day and time ... then being effectively his Brothers and Sisters in GOD, the True Church, the Natural and Holy Church of generic Spirituality, without name, creed nor dogma ...
When that happens to us we will have transcended the church of the institutions and will be as close to GOD as we are expected to get in our lifetime ... we will then know and have, The Truth That Sets Us Free !!! Free form Dualism's Divisiveness and thus open to Cooperation with diverse differences where the (+) and the (-) accept each others true worth and work together for common cause of the greater (whole) good ... thereby creating a SYNERGY of INcrease that is a Win/Win, rather than the Win/Lose of Duality ...
Mark my words folks ... most all have been deceived since the very beginning of religious time ... by their own religions ... long ago corrupted by the so-called "devil" in the twisting of a Trinity (+=-) into a Duality (+/-) ...
If you do not yet understand or believe this ... hopefully you will one day before it is too late ... GOD is UNconditional LOVE and Highest Truth ... anything less is less ... maybe a God or god ... but not GOD.
IMnsHO
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978330632 )
Monday, November 1, 2010
Welcome to America, sucker.
Our world business model is more and more showing just what it is made of ... a Ponzi scheme ... but only the relatively "little guys" seem to get caught ... because the really big boys actually make the laws through paying off our politicians who in that sense protect them.
I dare you all to read this and make your comment:
How Our Entire Economy Became a Ponzi Scheme: ( http://www.alternet.org/story/146027/how_our_entire_economy_became_a_ponzi_scheme?page=entire )
We're only just discovering how widespread the rip-off schemes riddling our economy are.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978114598 where many comments have live links to more supporting information)
I dare you all to read this and make your comment:
How Our Entire Economy Became a Ponzi Scheme: ( http://www.alternet.org/story/146027/how_our_entire_economy_became_a_ponzi_scheme?page=entire )
We're only just discovering how widespread the rip-off schemes riddling our economy are.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978114598 where many comments have live links to more supporting information)
DIVIDE AND CONTROL ... NONE DARE CALL IT A CONSPIRACY.
When I was young and far more idealistic I always thought that when it came to politics that I would vote, when I got old enough, for the best man for the job. I had heard enough of party faithfulness from my mom who was a Democrat and my step dad who was a Republican …
When I did get old enough to vote I recognized myself as leaning towards the down trodden, the common man as compared to super big business and their wants. So for a long while I claimed myself as a Democrat, at least in my “leanings” …
Eventually I realized that they were all liars in promising everything and coming up with much of nothing. That depressed me in mid life to the degree that I sought something better from outside of the normal institutional offerings. I sought either truth or suicide (in effect) … I did not see much hope in a lying greedy and war mongering society, and I saw no answer in religions either, at least as I knew of them at the time.
I then just happened to have a spontaneous “Spiritual Awakening” of the natural “generic” kind, it came from withIN, not from some “OUTer” Institution full of dogma and creed …
The “point being” … I had thought for myself in life, seeking something above what society seemed to offer … and I eventually found it in GOD and a Spiritual Insight Involving Intuition, on and of my very own.
It was only then that I gained the confidence of my own views being more “right” (correct) more often than those of most of society in general.
Before that, I had sought the answers to world problems based upon the problems themselves and found that such reasoning always seemed to go in circles and seldom solved the problem, only bringing up countless other related problems.
Now I have found the truth of how the universe works and know it is not on the level of exclusive dualism where right is good and wrong is bad and the two have no relationship, with that deemed the lesser only suitable for fighting and destroying … where there is always a gap or void being maintained between the subjective determinations of positive and negative, IE, (+/-) …our present world view based upon our ignorance of the truth.
The UNIverse of the Unconditionally Loving GOD that I now know, works on a Trinity principle, of positives and negatives Interconnected with the Spirit of GOD, that Spirit designated as the “=“ in (+=-).
World Institutions have bastardized that UNIversal Truth into putting themselves in the place of the Spirit, and then dividing the natural positives and negatives into warring factions, pulling the strings of those below separated into two opposing camps … politically into Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal … the “good” and the “bad” where each side is convinced they are better than the other … thus there is always competitive conflict and very seldom any cooperation because polarization is encouraged by the “controllers” who have adopted the position of Spirit as the “=“ and placed it out of sight far above in the shadows while breaking the linkage between those of us on the bottom and placing a void between us in “their” desire to “divide and control” us all …
They actually conspire in doing so, but then through the media empires they also own and control, they convince us that it is stupid to suggest that any conspiracy ever takes place …
They have in fact conspired to take control of all of the MSM and allow FOX to be the blatant standard of Far Right Conservatives … convincing their loyal followers that FOX is the only fair and balanced truth tellers available as they at the same time convince their followers to never trust the rest of the MSM because they are all said to be too Liberal.
At the very same time the “other” Media outlets really only play the role of Liberal in order to illicit trust in their voices from the Liberal side … but when things important to the owner/controllers come up, there will be whatever it takes saying to get the audience to support those most important key issues … “they”, the controllers, own the think-tanks that are always working on making sure that things go as planned … we are all being had … big time !
I realize that this information seems way too far out, just the rantings of a mad man to most of you readers, but that is the very plan of the mentioned controllers coming into fruition … to keep you all believing in only what “they” tell you insures “their” success … and ultimately your (our) loss … IMnsHO.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036439 )
When I did get old enough to vote I recognized myself as leaning towards the down trodden, the common man as compared to super big business and their wants. So for a long while I claimed myself as a Democrat, at least in my “leanings” …
Eventually I realized that they were all liars in promising everything and coming up with much of nothing. That depressed me in mid life to the degree that I sought something better from outside of the normal institutional offerings. I sought either truth or suicide (in effect) … I did not see much hope in a lying greedy and war mongering society, and I saw no answer in religions either, at least as I knew of them at the time.
I then just happened to have a spontaneous “Spiritual Awakening” of the natural “generic” kind, it came from withIN, not from some “OUTer” Institution full of dogma and creed …
The “point being” … I had thought for myself in life, seeking something above what society seemed to offer … and I eventually found it in GOD and a Spiritual Insight Involving Intuition, on and of my very own.
It was only then that I gained the confidence of my own views being more “right” (correct) more often than those of most of society in general.
Before that, I had sought the answers to world problems based upon the problems themselves and found that such reasoning always seemed to go in circles and seldom solved the problem, only bringing up countless other related problems.
Now I have found the truth of how the universe works and know it is not on the level of exclusive dualism where right is good and wrong is bad and the two have no relationship, with that deemed the lesser only suitable for fighting and destroying … where there is always a gap or void being maintained between the subjective determinations of positive and negative, IE, (+/-) …our present world view based upon our ignorance of the truth.
The UNIverse of the Unconditionally Loving GOD that I now know, works on a Trinity principle, of positives and negatives Interconnected with the Spirit of GOD, that Spirit designated as the “=“ in (+=-).
World Institutions have bastardized that UNIversal Truth into putting themselves in the place of the Spirit, and then dividing the natural positives and negatives into warring factions, pulling the strings of those below separated into two opposing camps … politically into Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal … the “good” and the “bad” where each side is convinced they are better than the other … thus there is always competitive conflict and very seldom any cooperation because polarization is encouraged by the “controllers” who have adopted the position of Spirit as the “=“ and placed it out of sight far above in the shadows while breaking the linkage between those of us on the bottom and placing a void between us in “their” desire to “divide and control” us all …
They actually conspire in doing so, but then through the media empires they also own and control, they convince us that it is stupid to suggest that any conspiracy ever takes place …
They have in fact conspired to take control of all of the MSM and allow FOX to be the blatant standard of Far Right Conservatives … convincing their loyal followers that FOX is the only fair and balanced truth tellers available as they at the same time convince their followers to never trust the rest of the MSM because they are all said to be too Liberal.
At the very same time the “other” Media outlets really only play the role of Liberal in order to illicit trust in their voices from the Liberal side … but when things important to the owner/controllers come up, there will be whatever it takes saying to get the audience to support those most important key issues … “they”, the controllers, own the think-tanks that are always working on making sure that things go as planned … we are all being had … big time !
I realize that this information seems way too far out, just the rantings of a mad man to most of you readers, but that is the very plan of the mentioned controllers coming into fruition … to keep you all believing in only what “they” tell you insures “their” success … and ultimately your (our) loss … IMnsHO.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036439 )
Yes Christianity IS the religion of PAUL !
Yes Christianity IS the religion of PAUL !
Now as for the Jews and the offshoot Christian relationship with Muslims ... it all goes way way way back ... back beyond where people will even look in this day and age, so set are they in their
dualistic world view of supposed reality ... as if the Bible was a true story of much of anything ... a few thousand years of brain-washing and we have what we have ... world wide !
Let us take that OT Bible at face value then ... especially with all of the things in it about nastiness and killing etc ... why would it be there if it had no part of the reality of the time ? ... where there is so much smoke there is usually a fire of some kind.
Religions in general, especially Christianity, trys to ignore, and actually actively condemns what they call the "New-Age" of belief ...
Let me explain that just a bit ... the NA is full of people just beginning to open to it ... their INtuitions tell them that the religions of old have not done a very good job of giving peace and truth to the people of the world ... they want something better, something more loving and peaceful ... not all that different than the movement of the 60's when the young people sought similar changes ...
In the 60's there was a spiritual energy that came from that realm which caused people to change their thinking in mass ... and some drugs led to people experiencing some breakthroughs in the rigidity of their mind-sets, opening them up to other potentials as they allowed themselves to break free of the box that society until then had attempted to build around their thinking ... a box of confinement that the social (and religious) leaders had the answers where materialism and war was "the way" ...
Of course the late-comers in mass did not get "that" message, they missed the esoteric message of real social change and naturally fell head over heals (literally) in love with the exoteric love and drug highs (which went together) ... the esoteric love of all humans was ignored when the exoteric idea of personal conquest in the name of one on one love "acts" gave more "immediate pleasure" ... in that sense the entire movement got a bad rap and petered out (literally) ...
But the NA movement continues and those with the true INtuitive message from the spiritual realm have did their best to explain it by writing countless excellent books about it ... one of the first that I came across was Marilyn Ferguson's " The Aquarian Conspiracy " (highly recommended even now) ... there are countless others available also ... another one that explains the "movement" more "scientifically" would be " Paths Beyond Ego" by Walsh and Vaughan, in which they say:
"" And yet if we only knew how each loss of one's viewpoint is a progress and how life changes when one passes from the stage of the closed truth to the stage of the open truth ... a truth like life itself, too great to be trapped by points of view, because it embraces every point of view ... a truth great enough to deny itself and pass endlessly into a higher truth. ""
But then as well as now, people settle for lesser truths and tend to stop and endlessly play-around with them ... just like the "druggies" of the 60's, the NA'ers who give that a bad name ... and the exoteric religionists of today that settle for the orthodoxy and push their far right conservative versions of Evangelicalism onto everyone they can. ... Often a really good barrel of apples gets entirely spoiled when the few rotten ones are not soon removed and set aside to do their own thing ...
So, back to the OT Bible and the Jews ... NA esoteric information, that more recently "channeled" from the spiritual realm (some extremely accurate and much a bunch of garbage, depending upon the character of the recipient) tells us of the vast cosmic histories which have led up to the human condition here on earth ... where there has been much participation, some good and some bad, from other "more" spiritual realms of our solar system and well beyond ... especially well beyond ... in the "seeding" (genetic engineering) the human "evolution" (let us set the actual "creation" issue aside here) ... not to mention the information that earth has had other "evolved" inhabitants who have "disappeared" at various times due to huge upheavals to nature due to cosmic seasons of origin ... and even a "helping" by the spiritual powers who could do so ... which are not insubstantial truth be known.
The Jews, it is said, are the first of the "advanced" (genetically superior) earth humans ... having come here from another planet in our system which was destroyed in galactic warring ... they had "leaders" who were "more evolved" who were able to advance into spiritual realms and dimensions "above" them ... it was those "leaders", gods actually ... that are written of in the oldest writings known to earth humans, the Tablets of Sumer ... those Tablet messages tell a story of the truth of such beginnings ... and they would explain ... for those willing to step out of the Box that Religion has constructed around them, how those gods concocted a story of God which became the OT Bible ...
The story, especially that explained in the vast writings of Zecharia Sitchen who actually learned the language of the Tablets, puts the entire matter into it's true place in our history ... a place that existing exoteric orthodoxy denies because their entire box of preferred reality depends upon the upholding of their "story" ... to hell with the real truth ... and why I maintain that the true (so-called) "evil" is the very folks that call "others" evil !!!
The God of the Jews ... and subsequently of the Christians ... and of the Muslims ... is the God created by the gods of the Sumer era !!!
Believe it or not, most will not ... but it lends reason to the conflicts in the name of God that have taken place here ever since ... The human race of "that time" was "modified" to become "materialistic" and to value Gold ... to the degree that we would be consumed by the seeking of it ... and the hoarding of it.
The reason being ... the gods required it for their own planetary uses ... on a particular planet that rotates through our solar system only every so many thousands of years due to it's strange orbit which is vastly different than the ones we (the common folk) know about ...
But those "left in charge" on earth would have a "religion" that kept them in line and supporting the needs of those not here ever since ... of course what these here have not realized, is that even those "gods" have found their truth and peace associated with the greater picture of the "Real GOD" ... yet those here still answer to God rather than GOD.
Speaking of Jews ... and most importantly ... this is NOT ANTI-SEMITIC ... "anti-Semitic" being a word concocted by the Jews to insure that people would succumb to peer pressure so as to never speak ill of them ever again ... that enforced by the atrocities experienced during the Holocaust ... continuing on ... (their is a vast difference between the Jews and the Zionists ... with many overlaps of course) ... " The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion " actually tells a true story of "evil" intent in the concept of the end justifies the means as said God (in truth then intended) ...
Yes ... I know ... it has all been "proved" to be but a Russian Hoax ... BS !
I have read the entire manuscript repeatedly with spiritual truth seeking INtuition ... and take the mention of Jews out of it, even the Zionists of you prefer, and it still gives a most truthful outline of the feelings and intentions of those of vast wealth who would control this entire world for their own aims ... the greatest conspiracy of all time ... the most well protected one also ... but a vast conspiracy never the less ... no matter how many folks have preferred to believe that no such can or even could exist without them knowing about it ... the only reason people will not know about it is because they choose to not believe it ... the information exists !!! (Hidden and disinformationed as it has intentionally become).
If you think that the Arab world and the Muslims are not aware of this and putting some truth into the believing of it ... mis-informed and dis-informed as much of it might be ... the underlying truth of those intentions "rings their bells of credulity" ... and mine ... and I seek only the highest truth.
I do not mention this, and the dualisms of the world, in order to cast blame, make judgments and condemnations ... only to get to the basic truths so that all can see them in the proper light in order to have something true to base their decisions and discernments upon ... we can still, those willing anyway, forgive and love each other, get on with a new future finally based upon a truth rather than lies ... I rest my case (for now). PEACE !
IMnsHO.
(this was copied from a recent comment of mine on LYR ... )(from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977980050)
Now as for the Jews and the offshoot Christian relationship with Muslims ... it all goes way way way back ... back beyond where people will even look in this day and age, so set are they in their
dualistic world view of supposed reality ... as if the Bible was a true story of much of anything ... a few thousand years of brain-washing and we have what we have ... world wide !
Let us take that OT Bible at face value then ... especially with all of the things in it about nastiness and killing etc ... why would it be there if it had no part of the reality of the time ? ... where there is so much smoke there is usually a fire of some kind.
Religions in general, especially Christianity, trys to ignore, and actually actively condemns what they call the "New-Age" of belief ...
Let me explain that just a bit ... the NA is full of people just beginning to open to it ... their INtuitions tell them that the religions of old have not done a very good job of giving peace and truth to the people of the world ... they want something better, something more loving and peaceful ... not all that different than the movement of the 60's when the young people sought similar changes ...
In the 60's there was a spiritual energy that came from that realm which caused people to change their thinking in mass ... and some drugs led to people experiencing some breakthroughs in the rigidity of their mind-sets, opening them up to other potentials as they allowed themselves to break free of the box that society until then had attempted to build around their thinking ... a box of confinement that the social (and religious) leaders had the answers where materialism and war was "the way" ...
Of course the late-comers in mass did not get "that" message, they missed the esoteric message of real social change and naturally fell head over heals (literally) in love with the exoteric love and drug highs (which went together) ... the esoteric love of all humans was ignored when the exoteric idea of personal conquest in the name of one on one love "acts" gave more "immediate pleasure" ... in that sense the entire movement got a bad rap and petered out (literally) ...
But the NA movement continues and those with the true INtuitive message from the spiritual realm have did their best to explain it by writing countless excellent books about it ... one of the first that I came across was Marilyn Ferguson's " The Aquarian Conspiracy " (highly recommended even now) ... there are countless others available also ... another one that explains the "movement" more "scientifically" would be " Paths Beyond Ego" by Walsh and Vaughan, in which they say:
"" And yet if we only knew how each loss of one's viewpoint is a progress and how life changes when one passes from the stage of the closed truth to the stage of the open truth ... a truth like life itself, too great to be trapped by points of view, because it embraces every point of view ... a truth great enough to deny itself and pass endlessly into a higher truth. ""
But then as well as now, people settle for lesser truths and tend to stop and endlessly play-around with them ... just like the "druggies" of the 60's, the NA'ers who give that a bad name ... and the exoteric religionists of today that settle for the orthodoxy and push their far right conservative versions of Evangelicalism onto everyone they can. ... Often a really good barrel of apples gets entirely spoiled when the few rotten ones are not soon removed and set aside to do their own thing ...
So, back to the OT Bible and the Jews ... NA esoteric information, that more recently "channeled" from the spiritual realm (some extremely accurate and much a bunch of garbage, depending upon the character of the recipient) tells us of the vast cosmic histories which have led up to the human condition here on earth ... where there has been much participation, some good and some bad, from other "more" spiritual realms of our solar system and well beyond ... especially well beyond ... in the "seeding" (genetic engineering) the human "evolution" (let us set the actual "creation" issue aside here) ... not to mention the information that earth has had other "evolved" inhabitants who have "disappeared" at various times due to huge upheavals to nature due to cosmic seasons of origin ... and even a "helping" by the spiritual powers who could do so ... which are not insubstantial truth be known.
The Jews, it is said, are the first of the "advanced" (genetically superior) earth humans ... having come here from another planet in our system which was destroyed in galactic warring ... they had "leaders" who were "more evolved" who were able to advance into spiritual realms and dimensions "above" them ... it was those "leaders", gods actually ... that are written of in the oldest writings known to earth humans, the Tablets of Sumer ... those Tablet messages tell a story of the truth of such beginnings ... and they would explain ... for those willing to step out of the Box that Religion has constructed around them, how those gods concocted a story of God which became the OT Bible ...
The story, especially that explained in the vast writings of Zecharia Sitchen who actually learned the language of the Tablets, puts the entire matter into it's true place in our history ... a place that existing exoteric orthodoxy denies because their entire box of preferred reality depends upon the upholding of their "story" ... to hell with the real truth ... and why I maintain that the true (so-called) "evil" is the very folks that call "others" evil !!!
The God of the Jews ... and subsequently of the Christians ... and of the Muslims ... is the God created by the gods of the Sumer era !!!
Believe it or not, most will not ... but it lends reason to the conflicts in the name of God that have taken place here ever since ... The human race of "that time" was "modified" to become "materialistic" and to value Gold ... to the degree that we would be consumed by the seeking of it ... and the hoarding of it.
The reason being ... the gods required it for their own planetary uses ... on a particular planet that rotates through our solar system only every so many thousands of years due to it's strange orbit which is vastly different than the ones we (the common folk) know about ...
But those "left in charge" on earth would have a "religion" that kept them in line and supporting the needs of those not here ever since ... of course what these here have not realized, is that even those "gods" have found their truth and peace associated with the greater picture of the "Real GOD" ... yet those here still answer to God rather than GOD.
Speaking of Jews ... and most importantly ... this is NOT ANTI-SEMITIC ... "anti-Semitic" being a word concocted by the Jews to insure that people would succumb to peer pressure so as to never speak ill of them ever again ... that enforced by the atrocities experienced during the Holocaust ... continuing on ... (their is a vast difference between the Jews and the Zionists ... with many overlaps of course) ... " The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion " actually tells a true story of "evil" intent in the concept of the end justifies the means as said God (in truth then intended) ...
Yes ... I know ... it has all been "proved" to be but a Russian Hoax ... BS !
I have read the entire manuscript repeatedly with spiritual truth seeking INtuition ... and take the mention of Jews out of it, even the Zionists of you prefer, and it still gives a most truthful outline of the feelings and intentions of those of vast wealth who would control this entire world for their own aims ... the greatest conspiracy of all time ... the most well protected one also ... but a vast conspiracy never the less ... no matter how many folks have preferred to believe that no such can or even could exist without them knowing about it ... the only reason people will not know about it is because they choose to not believe it ... the information exists !!! (Hidden and disinformationed as it has intentionally become).
If you think that the Arab world and the Muslims are not aware of this and putting some truth into the believing of it ... mis-informed and dis-informed as much of it might be ... the underlying truth of those intentions "rings their bells of credulity" ... and mine ... and I seek only the highest truth.
I do not mention this, and the dualisms of the world, in order to cast blame, make judgments and condemnations ... only to get to the basic truths so that all can see them in the proper light in order to have something true to base their decisions and discernments upon ... we can still, those willing anyway, forgive and love each other, get on with a new future finally based upon a truth rather than lies ... I rest my case (for now). PEACE !
IMnsHO.
(this was copied from a recent comment of mine on LYR ... )(from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977980050)
VISIONS OF GOD ... EXOTERICALLY FUNDAMENTAL ... OR ... ESOTERICALLY SPIRITUAL ??
There are countless ways to envision GOD (even God and god(s)), enough that should satisfy anyone and everyone. So, if we would just slow down a bit and seek out the basic fundamental truth of the subject, we might just find that we are all on the very same path, just using different tools and vehicles.
I have recently been very active on another thread where I have made a couple (or more) comments that are, seemingly to me, important enough to be shared further with all.
I will post them here hoping that you will excuse the inconsistencies of certain names and thoughts related to the original (more than to this) where they exist. Treat them as separate subjects if you so desire to read or comment here ... but if interested further, here is the article they come from.
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:10am EDT
My "faith" is that GOD is the ALL of Creation ... not "separate" from nor "outside" of, but that every aspect and piece of it are the "parts" of which GOD consists of.
GOD then being considered the relative whole, or "First Person" of the Trinity, depending upon how one wants to define relativities, would be a relative (+) ... Creation then is the relative (-) ... and ubiquitous throughout Creation is the Holy Spirit of GOD as the (=) ... All together (+=-).
In the above "arrangement" it is the Spiritual component, of GOD, as the (=) being the closest and most sublime experience we can have of GOD as living breathing humans ... and "that" Spirit can truthfully called (named) by anything that denotes it as to what it really is ... call it the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, your own Soul/higher Self, or even the Spirit of Christ, including the name Christ Jesus if one is so inclined ... but it must be, to be true, your most highest expectation of what GOD offers to you.
If you then are doing what you believe is the best that you can in following religious dogma and creed to the best of your ability believing it your highest truth, then you are OK in GOD's eye (so to speak) ...
So, as you Sue have said, we are each on our own path and at differing stages along the way ... some want to see a more objective Jesus Christ as their saving grace and best they can do pending his promised "second coming" ... others, such as myself, believe that the "second coming" will be when we open our body, mind, and Soul to the experience of reception of the Spirit from withIN ... by any "name" representing the highest truth and unconditional love available ...
The more conservative the outlook, the more reserved the person in the direction of objectivity and materialized "proofs" ... the more liberal the philosophy, the more open to potentials of possibility, especially in the realm of subjectivity ... which is what GOD and Spirit are most about.
IMnsHO.
The next is :
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 2:22pm EDT
I believe that GOD will present Himself to us as whatever we think we need to find Him ... assuming that we really and truly are looking for Him (or Her) ..
Then be that, as in my case, a higher Self, found to be my Soul, ...(and female in nature to balance "us" out to a neutral (=) in the total spiritual package, halfway between my "former" belief and that of an eventual Omega with GOD))... or in the case of TICA that being Jesus Christ ... and in the case of John (so it seems) it being "The Book" ...
Whatever the "Tool", whatever the "Image", whatever the "Concept" ... IF it is for the final goal of being close to GOD as the epitome of Love and Truth related to the whole of the UNIverse, "created" or "not", IF the intention and goal is sufficient in the eyes of said GOD, you will become united ... I believe myself "Spiritually" united, TICA believes herself so also via Christ ... John, I assume that you do also through The Book ... whatever it is that unites us with GOD unites us with each other THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF GOD ... not JUST a TOOL ... we cannot really and truly define GOD, so the best that we can do, and that which we all do most often, is relate to GOD through the TOOL with which we used when we found "Him/Her/It" ... BUT ... forever remember and do not confuse ourselves, THE TOOL is NOT GOD ... it is but A PATH to GOD.
We pick the best tool for the job we attempt to complete ... the tool depends upon the problem we find in front of us that needs correcting, fixing, the best tool is that which does the best job solving our problem ... but I repeat, do not worship the tool in place of the goal, GOD.
This is all a very important issue that more of us need to look into in order to find our common ground around our "source" rather than the "tools" we use. Lets not fight over the tools, there are more than enough to go around ... and for certain ones, we can always share them ... as we would prefer to share GOD with each other. IMnsHO.
And finally the conclusion:
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:02pm EDT
I expect that I am probably about finished on this thread, so will offer one final thought before I go and turn a couple of my earlier comments into my own latest article/post ... I feel that this entire discussion has been very beneficial to us all ... wishful thinking aside. :-)
My latest thought was about the Title of this article ... the nature of the FUNDAMENTAL ... GOD IS THE FUNDAMENTAL ... all else are but various things of which "tools" are a part of the "kit" we use to get down to the BASIC FUNDAMENTAL ...
A belief system for seeking GOD will often be then a "tool" ... many use what they call FAITH ... that often based upon certain tools ... the various faiths being the various tools.
Sometimes, often, a certain tool takes us just so far towards our eventual "repairs" ... sometimes we then, if not yet completely satisfied with the quality and success of our endeavor, switch over to another different, yet related, tool ... whatever it takes to get us to the completion we desire or dream of ...
Some folks only seek a "serviceable" completion, one that "runs" and gets them down the "road" ... their final destination is not the issue so much as the quality of the "ride" and their faith in the fact that they believe it will get them "there" wherever it is they may finally decide later that they want to go ... enjoy the ride then.
Other folks will maybe look for a little more pizazz or excitement for their Sunday Drive, they may want a different "vehicle" (tool) than others on the "road" (path) ... they (and that might refer to me) may not be satisfied with "ordinary" (orthodox) tools because they want to live out more on the edge ... the vehicle then needed by them will be different than others ... it may even be "faster" ... and thus more "dangerous" if mishandled ... it will not be the "fundamental" serviceable vehicle, it will be more "esoteric" ... one being more spiritually "electrified" and exciting to drive ...
And those with the slower yet serviceable, vehicles may get really upset when the speeders roar down "their" road ... after all, if everyone slows down, there will be fewer challenges, the drive will be more peaceful and though it may take longer, the reward will be the same ... so they think ... but will it ? I am not so sure ... I think there is enough road and even enough intermediary points for rest, relaxation, and recuperation, that those who want to use them can, and those more energized can get right on down the road to their final destination ... if they so desire. Some of us, probably all of us, will happily stop to help, or even pickup those along the way should they need or desire a different or speedier "trip" ... and possibly some different more interesting company to converse with ...
There is no need to set up road blocks to check vehicles and credentials as some religious institutions want to do ... the road is not a tollway, it is a free highway with plenty of room ... just watch out for the turnoffs and curves ... and be careful not to stray into oncoming lanes because there are others going different places for different reasons driving different vehicles and using different tools to repair them ...
Let us try to see the "bigger picture" and share it ... be an exoteric fundamentalist if you so choose, but allow the esoteric spiritualist a place on the road also. Please !
Those of you who took the time to read all of this, I thank you profusely from the bottom of my heart. Nemaste, j.
(reprint from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977867244 )
I have recently been very active on another thread where I have made a couple (or more) comments that are, seemingly to me, important enough to be shared further with all.
I will post them here hoping that you will excuse the inconsistencies of certain names and thoughts related to the original (more than to this) where they exist. Treat them as separate subjects if you so desire to read or comment here ... but if interested further, here is the article they come from.
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:10am EDT
My "faith" is that GOD is the ALL of Creation ... not "separate" from nor "outside" of, but that every aspect and piece of it are the "parts" of which GOD consists of.
GOD then being considered the relative whole, or "First Person" of the Trinity, depending upon how one wants to define relativities, would be a relative (+) ... Creation then is the relative (-) ... and ubiquitous throughout Creation is the Holy Spirit of GOD as the (=) ... All together (+=-).
In the above "arrangement" it is the Spiritual component, of GOD, as the (=) being the closest and most sublime experience we can have of GOD as living breathing humans ... and "that" Spirit can truthfully called (named) by anything that denotes it as to what it really is ... call it the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, your own Soul/higher Self, or even the Spirit of Christ, including the name Christ Jesus if one is so inclined ... but it must be, to be true, your most highest expectation of what GOD offers to you.
If you then are doing what you believe is the best that you can in following religious dogma and creed to the best of your ability believing it your highest truth, then you are OK in GOD's eye (so to speak) ...
So, as you Sue have said, we are each on our own path and at differing stages along the way ... some want to see a more objective Jesus Christ as their saving grace and best they can do pending his promised "second coming" ... others, such as myself, believe that the "second coming" will be when we open our body, mind, and Soul to the experience of reception of the Spirit from withIN ... by any "name" representing the highest truth and unconditional love available ...
The more conservative the outlook, the more reserved the person in the direction of objectivity and materialized "proofs" ... the more liberal the philosophy, the more open to potentials of possibility, especially in the realm of subjectivity ... which is what GOD and Spirit are most about.
IMnsHO.
The next is :
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 2:22pm EDT
I believe that GOD will present Himself to us as whatever we think we need to find Him ... assuming that we really and truly are looking for Him (or Her) ..
Then be that, as in my case, a higher Self, found to be my Soul, ...(and female in nature to balance "us" out to a neutral (=) in the total spiritual package, halfway between my "former" belief and that of an eventual Omega with GOD))... or in the case of TICA that being Jesus Christ ... and in the case of John (so it seems) it being "The Book" ...
Whatever the "Tool", whatever the "Image", whatever the "Concept" ... IF it is for the final goal of being close to GOD as the epitome of Love and Truth related to the whole of the UNIverse, "created" or "not", IF the intention and goal is sufficient in the eyes of said GOD, you will become united ... I believe myself "Spiritually" united, TICA believes herself so also via Christ ... John, I assume that you do also through The Book ... whatever it is that unites us with GOD unites us with each other THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF GOD ... not JUST a TOOL ... we cannot really and truly define GOD, so the best that we can do, and that which we all do most often, is relate to GOD through the TOOL with which we used when we found "Him/Her/It" ... BUT ... forever remember and do not confuse ourselves, THE TOOL is NOT GOD ... it is but A PATH to GOD.
We pick the best tool for the job we attempt to complete ... the tool depends upon the problem we find in front of us that needs correcting, fixing, the best tool is that which does the best job solving our problem ... but I repeat, do not worship the tool in place of the goal, GOD.
This is all a very important issue that more of us need to look into in order to find our common ground around our "source" rather than the "tools" we use. Lets not fight over the tools, there are more than enough to go around ... and for certain ones, we can always share them ... as we would prefer to share GOD with each other. IMnsHO.
And finally the conclusion:
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:02pm EDT
I expect that I am probably about finished on this thread, so will offer one final thought before I go and turn a couple of my earlier comments into my own latest article/post ... I feel that this entire discussion has been very beneficial to us all ... wishful thinking aside. :-)
My latest thought was about the Title of this article ... the nature of the FUNDAMENTAL ... GOD IS THE FUNDAMENTAL ... all else are but various things of which "tools" are a part of the "kit" we use to get down to the BASIC FUNDAMENTAL ...
A belief system for seeking GOD will often be then a "tool" ... many use what they call FAITH ... that often based upon certain tools ... the various faiths being the various tools.
Sometimes, often, a certain tool takes us just so far towards our eventual "repairs" ... sometimes we then, if not yet completely satisfied with the quality and success of our endeavor, switch over to another different, yet related, tool ... whatever it takes to get us to the completion we desire or dream of ...
Some folks only seek a "serviceable" completion, one that "runs" and gets them down the "road" ... their final destination is not the issue so much as the quality of the "ride" and their faith in the fact that they believe it will get them "there" wherever it is they may finally decide later that they want to go ... enjoy the ride then.
Other folks will maybe look for a little more pizazz or excitement for their Sunday Drive, they may want a different "vehicle" (tool) than others on the "road" (path) ... they (and that might refer to me) may not be satisfied with "ordinary" (orthodox) tools because they want to live out more on the edge ... the vehicle then needed by them will be different than others ... it may even be "faster" ... and thus more "dangerous" if mishandled ... it will not be the "fundamental" serviceable vehicle, it will be more "esoteric" ... one being more spiritually "electrified" and exciting to drive ...
And those with the slower yet serviceable, vehicles may get really upset when the speeders roar down "their" road ... after all, if everyone slows down, there will be fewer challenges, the drive will be more peaceful and though it may take longer, the reward will be the same ... so they think ... but will it ? I am not so sure ... I think there is enough road and even enough intermediary points for rest, relaxation, and recuperation, that those who want to use them can, and those more energized can get right on down the road to their final destination ... if they so desire. Some of us, probably all of us, will happily stop to help, or even pickup those along the way should they need or desire a different or speedier "trip" ... and possibly some different more interesting company to converse with ...
There is no need to set up road blocks to check vehicles and credentials as some religious institutions want to do ... the road is not a tollway, it is a free highway with plenty of room ... just watch out for the turnoffs and curves ... and be careful not to stray into oncoming lanes because there are others going different places for different reasons driving different vehicles and using different tools to repair them ...
Let us try to see the "bigger picture" and share it ... be an exoteric fundamentalist if you so choose, but allow the esoteric spiritualist a place on the road also. Please !
Those of you who took the time to read all of this, I thank you profusely from the bottom of my heart. Nemaste, j.
(reprint from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977867244 )
IDEOLOGY ... HOW "OUR SYSTEM" REALLY WORKS ...
This nation was founded upon the concept of two political parties ... not so much opposing each other ... as cooperating for the common cause of the nation itself.
Now though, we have been divided in acrimony for the purposes of control by the leaders ... those leaders being our corrupt politicians that seek rather the"perks" of the K-Street Lobby payoff, and multiple terms in office for their own purposes, rather than of service to those they were intended to serve.
It is called divide and conquer ... the oldest tactic of conflict known to mankind ... and perpetrated not by those "leaders" we envision and know of, as much as those with even greater wealth who hide in the shadows of anonymity pulling the strings of all of those under them such as our mentioned politicians, their staffs, the think-tanks that inform them, and the heads of the media that informs us ...
All such is built on a hierarchical pyramid construct based upon a "need to know only" separation where those nearer to the apex, the top, are the only ones that know the full story and intentions of the rather small (comparatively) group who actually do the controlling while those under them either fail to suspect the ulterior motives, or keep silent rather than suffer the consequences of losing their position and it's rewards.
But as long as we fall for what "they" intend, we encourage the "game" ... as we instead of looking up for the truth, fight ideologically with each other ... we also being but puppets in that regard.
The sophistication of our actual controllers is so great that they have actually convinced us into believing that the politicians we elect will actually be serving us rather than them, even the politicians themselves are relatively unaware of the degree of control being exercised by those above them ... we have all been been brainwashed over our lifetimes to never suspect.
IMnsHO.
(The above was left originally as a comment on another thread and placed here for my own record keeping.)
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977809886 )
Now though, we have been divided in acrimony for the purposes of control by the leaders ... those leaders being our corrupt politicians that seek rather the"perks" of the K-Street Lobby payoff, and multiple terms in office for their own purposes, rather than of service to those they were intended to serve.
It is called divide and conquer ... the oldest tactic of conflict known to mankind ... and perpetrated not by those "leaders" we envision and know of, as much as those with even greater wealth who hide in the shadows of anonymity pulling the strings of all of those under them such as our mentioned politicians, their staffs, the think-tanks that inform them, and the heads of the media that informs us ...
All such is built on a hierarchical pyramid construct based upon a "need to know only" separation where those nearer to the apex, the top, are the only ones that know the full story and intentions of the rather small (comparatively) group who actually do the controlling while those under them either fail to suspect the ulterior motives, or keep silent rather than suffer the consequences of losing their position and it's rewards.
But as long as we fall for what "they" intend, we encourage the "game" ... as we instead of looking up for the truth, fight ideologically with each other ... we also being but puppets in that regard.
The sophistication of our actual controllers is so great that they have actually convinced us into believing that the politicians we elect will actually be serving us rather than them, even the politicians themselves are relatively unaware of the degree of control being exercised by those above them ... we have all been been brainwashed over our lifetimes to never suspect.
IMnsHO.
(The above was left originally as a comment on another thread and placed here for my own record keeping.)
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977809886 )
NOTHING: ... What is it ... where is it ... is it a god or GOD ???
I awoke this morning thinking about nothing ... for just a moment ... is that where it is located ... in a moment ?
Could I, as my thought be that nothing ?
Then ... IF ... there is one ... a GOD ... where is it ... what is it ... when is it ??
IF GOD is ALL ... does THAT MAKE ME NOTHING ? ... OR ... a god as a potential GOD ??
Just something to think about ... and just for the record to record my thought of the morning. I will be headed down the road soon, so will not be here to participate after tomorrow (very little if any) ... but it should give some of you more intellectually adventurous folks something to think about ... how do you fit into the grand scheme of things ???
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977797211 )
Could I, as my thought be that nothing ?
Then ... IF ... there is one ... a GOD ... where is it ... what is it ... when is it ??
IF GOD is ALL ... does THAT MAKE ME NOTHING ? ... OR ... a god as a potential GOD ??
Just something to think about ... and just for the record to record my thought of the morning. I will be headed down the road soon, so will not be here to participate after tomorrow (very little if any) ... but it should give some of you more intellectually adventurous folks something to think about ... how do you fit into the grand scheme of things ???
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977797211 )
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