The Supreme Court Sold Out Our Democracy -- How to Fight the Corporate Takeover of Our Elections
Historian Thom Hartmann discusses the history of corruption that led up to the Supreme Court's Citizens United ruling.READ MORE
Joshua Holland / AlterNet http://www.alternet.org/story/148608/the_supreme_court_sold_out_our_democracy_--_how_to_fight_the_corporate_takeover_of_our_elections
This is a most interesting "discovery" for those concerned about the great wealth that has been severily influencing our laws and elections ... and giving a small glimmer of hope for a way to correct the situation we are in ... which never should have happened in the first place.
(reprint from http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978636561 where more active links exist )
Monday, November 1, 2010
How Radical Christian Conservatives May Succeed in Destroying Democracy
"They have, with the backing of hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate money, gained tremendous power. They peddle pseudoscience such as “Intelligent Design” in our schools. They keep us locked into endless and futile wars of imperialism. They mount bigoted crusades against gays, immigrants, liberals and Muslims. They turn our judiciary, in the name of conservative values, over to corporations. They have transformed our liberal class into hand puppets for corporate power. And we remain meek and supine.
The huge amount of taxpayer money doled out to Wall Street, investment banks, the oil and natural gas industry and the defense industry, along with the dismantling of our manufacturing sector, is why we are impoverished."
This is but a small part of one of the best written expose's of the truth of our social peril that I have come across ... please read the entire article and comment ...
"There will be no swastikas this time but seas of red, white and blue flags and Christian crosses. There will be no stiff-armed salutes, but recitations of the Pledge of Allegiance." By Chris Hedges ... ( http://www.alternet.org/story/148467/how_radical_christian_conservatives_may_succeed_in_destroying_democracy?page=entire )
(original at http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978604626 where there are many active links to related material)
The huge amount of taxpayer money doled out to Wall Street, investment banks, the oil and natural gas industry and the defense industry, along with the dismantling of our manufacturing sector, is why we are impoverished."
This is but a small part of one of the best written expose's of the truth of our social peril that I have come across ... please read the entire article and comment ...
"There will be no swastikas this time but seas of red, white and blue flags and Christian crosses. There will be no stiff-armed salutes, but recitations of the Pledge of Allegiance." By Chris Hedges ... ( http://www.alternet.org/story/148467/how_radical_christian_conservatives_may_succeed_in_destroying_democracy?page=entire )
(original at http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978604626 where there are many active links to related material)
Conservative think tanks are the answer to liberal academia. Myth or Truth ?
The far right's effort to create an intellectual conservative movement is truly comprehensive, well-funded and well-organized. They are not only building think tanks at the national level, but the state level as well, since congressional conservatives are trying to devolve power to the states. They are targeting the nation's elite universities, providing funding for conservative academic programs, conservative college newspapers, and conservative scholarships. Financially, liberals fall far behind in all these efforts. (from: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-thinktank.htm )
In addition to the above, News Networks such as FOX use them as a routine source of information to be disseminated to the gullible public. IMnsHO
In addition to the above, News Networks such as FOX use them as a routine source of information to be disseminated to the gullible public. IMnsHO
The "Mosque" ... the two common views as opposed to the third uncommon view ...
It is so sad that the leaders of this nation, and others, along with the media that informs everyone, are so ignorant concerning the real meanings involved with the acts and thoughts mentioned here ...
The idea, also held and promoted by most religions, that what we see objectively on the surface is what things are all about.
All major religions are much more like almost all peoples that think about them and everything else ... they are simply dualistic (+/-) in that there is good and there is bad, that the major differences in the extremes is what it is all about and the only thing that should be considered, choose your (actually "their", the "authorities" and "leaders") versions of good and deny, fight, and try to "exterminate" the "other", the "bad" ... never ever attempt to understand the nuances, the middle ground grey areas, no no no, never any of that, called "fence sitting" as if it were evil itself ... compassion and cooperation are said to be weaknesses by the dualists ...
The real truth of the universe, denied out of ignorance by world dualists, is that we are all one and that the total is GOD and there is a ubiquitous Spirit as the Trinity aspect, being the (=) in between the potentials of positive (+) and negative (-) choices and realities of this thing we call reality ... (+=-) ... as paradoxical as that seems to objective dualists, it is the subjective truth ...
Back to the Mosque/Koran/Flag/Bible aspects of it all ... they are but OBJECTS that people superficially wrap their minds around ... and most religions, the "orthodox" variety, also see things too objectively involving more the symbols themselves, rather than the subjective spiritual meanings that lie a priori and underneath, the real meanings ... taking the shallow meanings as the sum total as they deny and reject the essence that should be most important ...
Just as Christian "orthodoxy" denies the validity of their own religious Mystics", those that are essentially all about Love and Peace, the Truth ... calling them occult, relating them to evil, and labeling them at best heretical ... so do the Muslims related to their own Mystics, the Sufi, of which the Imam Rauf has always been associated with ... those who practice Jihad as the improvement of the Mind INternally related to Love and Compassion ... as opposed to orthodoxy whose jihad is objective around killing people ... divisiveness, "othering", objective orthodoxy versus subjective Mysticism, the esoteric meanings of Universal Truths concerning Love ...
The promoter of the Mosque does have the better transcendent understanding and motives around the whole issue ... his detractors are just ignorant about the real truths and thus completely misguided ... and the Media is most instrumental in promoting the lessor view ...
IMnsHO.
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978507498 )
The idea, also held and promoted by most religions, that what we see objectively on the surface is what things are all about.
All major religions are much more like almost all peoples that think about them and everything else ... they are simply dualistic (+/-) in that there is good and there is bad, that the major differences in the extremes is what it is all about and the only thing that should be considered, choose your (actually "their", the "authorities" and "leaders") versions of good and deny, fight, and try to "exterminate" the "other", the "bad" ... never ever attempt to understand the nuances, the middle ground grey areas, no no no, never any of that, called "fence sitting" as if it were evil itself ... compassion and cooperation are said to be weaknesses by the dualists ...
The real truth of the universe, denied out of ignorance by world dualists, is that we are all one and that the total is GOD and there is a ubiquitous Spirit as the Trinity aspect, being the (=) in between the potentials of positive (+) and negative (-) choices and realities of this thing we call reality ... (+=-) ... as paradoxical as that seems to objective dualists, it is the subjective truth ...
Back to the Mosque/Koran/Flag/Bible aspects of it all ... they are but OBJECTS that people superficially wrap their minds around ... and most religions, the "orthodox" variety, also see things too objectively involving more the symbols themselves, rather than the subjective spiritual meanings that lie a priori and underneath, the real meanings ... taking the shallow meanings as the sum total as they deny and reject the essence that should be most important ...
Just as Christian "orthodoxy" denies the validity of their own religious Mystics", those that are essentially all about Love and Peace, the Truth ... calling them occult, relating them to evil, and labeling them at best heretical ... so do the Muslims related to their own Mystics, the Sufi, of which the Imam Rauf has always been associated with ... those who practice Jihad as the improvement of the Mind INternally related to Love and Compassion ... as opposed to orthodoxy whose jihad is objective around killing people ... divisiveness, "othering", objective orthodoxy versus subjective Mysticism, the esoteric meanings of Universal Truths concerning Love ...
The promoter of the Mosque does have the better transcendent understanding and motives around the whole issue ... his detractors are just ignorant about the real truths and thus completely misguided ... and the Media is most instrumental in promoting the lessor view ...
IMnsHO.
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978507498 )
FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS NOW IT HAS BEEN HAPPENING ... a timely reminder.
What is happening has been happening for over 2,000 years now ... it is called "Divide and Conquer" ... ever since Augustine encouraged Christians to look at religion Dualistically (+/-) and encouraged the "taking of sides" as in God VERSUS Satan, all of the followers have been doing so and affecting (infecting is more like it) the entire world with that Divisive Philosophy sold by the Religion of that name ...
All of our leaders since then have informed us that (+=+) and (-=-) and like East and West, the twain shall never meet ... divisiveness has been our modus operandi ever since ...
The real Dividers, the "fallen leaders", have taken the role of what Satan would be, if there were such, a hidden secretive position out of our sight, dictating to us what He/They want us to believe ... the same dictated to the visable leaders, religious and secular, who we are encouraged to watch and listen to (just like puppets) as if there were none above them (the hidden puppet masters) ... (politically, as in the case of our Republican and Democratic politicians ... who we are told represent us ... but in fact have all sold their souls already to the ones "above" them) ...
Thus we as followers have went along with the divisions, and think that it is us against them, one division against it's opposite (visable) other ... all the while we play into the hands of those above who control secretly the entire "game" ...
The "Church" has said; hear me, listen to me, follow me and my words ... they have written the bibles to that end ... divide the folks between the good guys, supposedly on the "side of" God and the bad guys, of course then, on the side of Satan ... aware or not, just by default, supposedly, if not actively, taking the good side ... "No Fence Sitting" allowed (Grey areas in between are "off limits", leaving only polarized Duality) ...
Some religious teaching speaks of the Trinity of the Father God, the Son Christ, and the Holy Spirit that INterconnects them all ...
But none seem to understand that the Trinity is a relationship between relative symbols of (+=-) ... where the Father would be the (+) ... the Son, as Creation, including we brothers and sisters of Jesus the (-) ... the most important part, the INterconnecting third, that of the Holy Spirit of GOD, the (=) ... all together (+=-) !
When we then INherit knowingly withIN ourselves, the Holy Spirit as (=), we become "transformed", "saved" and "graced" into the Christ Spirit ... the Same as was the person Jesus in His day and time ... then being effectively his Brothers and Sisters in GOD, the True Church, the Natural and Holy Church of generic Spirituality, without name, creed nor dogma ...
When that happens to us we will have transcended the church of the institutions and will be as close to GOD as we are expected to get in our lifetime ... we will then know and have, The Truth That Sets Us Free !!! Free form Dualism's Divisiveness and thus open to Cooperation with diverse differences where the (+) and the (-) accept each others true worth and work together for common cause of the greater (whole) good ... thereby creating a SYNERGY of INcrease that is a Win/Win, rather than the Win/Lose of Duality ...
Mark my words folks ... most all have been deceived since the very beginning of religious time ... by their own religions ... long ago corrupted by the so-called "devil" in the twisting of a Trinity (+=-) into a Duality (+/-) ...
If you do not yet understand or believe this ... hopefully you will one day before it is too late ... GOD is UNconditional LOVE and Highest Truth ... anything less is less ... maybe a God or god ... but not GOD.
IMnsHO
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978330632 )
All of our leaders since then have informed us that (+=+) and (-=-) and like East and West, the twain shall never meet ... divisiveness has been our modus operandi ever since ...
The real Dividers, the "fallen leaders", have taken the role of what Satan would be, if there were such, a hidden secretive position out of our sight, dictating to us what He/They want us to believe ... the same dictated to the visable leaders, religious and secular, who we are encouraged to watch and listen to (just like puppets) as if there were none above them (the hidden puppet masters) ... (politically, as in the case of our Republican and Democratic politicians ... who we are told represent us ... but in fact have all sold their souls already to the ones "above" them) ...
Thus we as followers have went along with the divisions, and think that it is us against them, one division against it's opposite (visable) other ... all the while we play into the hands of those above who control secretly the entire "game" ...
The "Church" has said; hear me, listen to me, follow me and my words ... they have written the bibles to that end ... divide the folks between the good guys, supposedly on the "side of" God and the bad guys, of course then, on the side of Satan ... aware or not, just by default, supposedly, if not actively, taking the good side ... "No Fence Sitting" allowed (Grey areas in between are "off limits", leaving only polarized Duality) ...
Some religious teaching speaks of the Trinity of the Father God, the Son Christ, and the Holy Spirit that INterconnects them all ...
But none seem to understand that the Trinity is a relationship between relative symbols of (+=-) ... where the Father would be the (+) ... the Son, as Creation, including we brothers and sisters of Jesus the (-) ... the most important part, the INterconnecting third, that of the Holy Spirit of GOD, the (=) ... all together (+=-) !
When we then INherit knowingly withIN ourselves, the Holy Spirit as (=), we become "transformed", "saved" and "graced" into the Christ Spirit ... the Same as was the person Jesus in His day and time ... then being effectively his Brothers and Sisters in GOD, the True Church, the Natural and Holy Church of generic Spirituality, without name, creed nor dogma ...
When that happens to us we will have transcended the church of the institutions and will be as close to GOD as we are expected to get in our lifetime ... we will then know and have, The Truth That Sets Us Free !!! Free form Dualism's Divisiveness and thus open to Cooperation with diverse differences where the (+) and the (-) accept each others true worth and work together for common cause of the greater (whole) good ... thereby creating a SYNERGY of INcrease that is a Win/Win, rather than the Win/Lose of Duality ...
Mark my words folks ... most all have been deceived since the very beginning of religious time ... by their own religions ... long ago corrupted by the so-called "devil" in the twisting of a Trinity (+=-) into a Duality (+/-) ...
If you do not yet understand or believe this ... hopefully you will one day before it is too late ... GOD is UNconditional LOVE and Highest Truth ... anything less is less ... maybe a God or god ... but not GOD.
IMnsHO
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978330632 )
Welcome to America, sucker.
Our world business model is more and more showing just what it is made of ... a Ponzi scheme ... but only the relatively "little guys" seem to get caught ... because the really big boys actually make the laws through paying off our politicians who in that sense protect them.
I dare you all to read this and make your comment:
How Our Entire Economy Became a Ponzi Scheme: ( http://www.alternet.org/story/146027/how_our_entire_economy_became_a_ponzi_scheme?page=entire )
We're only just discovering how widespread the rip-off schemes riddling our economy are.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978114598 where many comments have live links to more supporting information)
I dare you all to read this and make your comment:
How Our Entire Economy Became a Ponzi Scheme: ( http://www.alternet.org/story/146027/how_our_entire_economy_became_a_ponzi_scheme?page=entire )
We're only just discovering how widespread the rip-off schemes riddling our economy are.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978114598 where many comments have live links to more supporting information)
DIVIDE AND CONTROL ... NONE DARE CALL IT A CONSPIRACY.
When I was young and far more idealistic I always thought that when it came to politics that I would vote, when I got old enough, for the best man for the job. I had heard enough of party faithfulness from my mom who was a Democrat and my step dad who was a Republican …
When I did get old enough to vote I recognized myself as leaning towards the down trodden, the common man as compared to super big business and their wants. So for a long while I claimed myself as a Democrat, at least in my “leanings” …
Eventually I realized that they were all liars in promising everything and coming up with much of nothing. That depressed me in mid life to the degree that I sought something better from outside of the normal institutional offerings. I sought either truth or suicide (in effect) … I did not see much hope in a lying greedy and war mongering society, and I saw no answer in religions either, at least as I knew of them at the time.
I then just happened to have a spontaneous “Spiritual Awakening” of the natural “generic” kind, it came from withIN, not from some “OUTer” Institution full of dogma and creed …
The “point being” … I had thought for myself in life, seeking something above what society seemed to offer … and I eventually found it in GOD and a Spiritual Insight Involving Intuition, on and of my very own.
It was only then that I gained the confidence of my own views being more “right” (correct) more often than those of most of society in general.
Before that, I had sought the answers to world problems based upon the problems themselves and found that such reasoning always seemed to go in circles and seldom solved the problem, only bringing up countless other related problems.
Now I have found the truth of how the universe works and know it is not on the level of exclusive dualism where right is good and wrong is bad and the two have no relationship, with that deemed the lesser only suitable for fighting and destroying … where there is always a gap or void being maintained between the subjective determinations of positive and negative, IE, (+/-) …our present world view based upon our ignorance of the truth.
The UNIverse of the Unconditionally Loving GOD that I now know, works on a Trinity principle, of positives and negatives Interconnected with the Spirit of GOD, that Spirit designated as the “=“ in (+=-).
World Institutions have bastardized that UNIversal Truth into putting themselves in the place of the Spirit, and then dividing the natural positives and negatives into warring factions, pulling the strings of those below separated into two opposing camps … politically into Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal … the “good” and the “bad” where each side is convinced they are better than the other … thus there is always competitive conflict and very seldom any cooperation because polarization is encouraged by the “controllers” who have adopted the position of Spirit as the “=“ and placed it out of sight far above in the shadows while breaking the linkage between those of us on the bottom and placing a void between us in “their” desire to “divide and control” us all …
They actually conspire in doing so, but then through the media empires they also own and control, they convince us that it is stupid to suggest that any conspiracy ever takes place …
They have in fact conspired to take control of all of the MSM and allow FOX to be the blatant standard of Far Right Conservatives … convincing their loyal followers that FOX is the only fair and balanced truth tellers available as they at the same time convince their followers to never trust the rest of the MSM because they are all said to be too Liberal.
At the very same time the “other” Media outlets really only play the role of Liberal in order to illicit trust in their voices from the Liberal side … but when things important to the owner/controllers come up, there will be whatever it takes saying to get the audience to support those most important key issues … “they”, the controllers, own the think-tanks that are always working on making sure that things go as planned … we are all being had … big time !
I realize that this information seems way too far out, just the rantings of a mad man to most of you readers, but that is the very plan of the mentioned controllers coming into fruition … to keep you all believing in only what “they” tell you insures “their” success … and ultimately your (our) loss … IMnsHO.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036439 )
When I did get old enough to vote I recognized myself as leaning towards the down trodden, the common man as compared to super big business and their wants. So for a long while I claimed myself as a Democrat, at least in my “leanings” …
Eventually I realized that they were all liars in promising everything and coming up with much of nothing. That depressed me in mid life to the degree that I sought something better from outside of the normal institutional offerings. I sought either truth or suicide (in effect) … I did not see much hope in a lying greedy and war mongering society, and I saw no answer in religions either, at least as I knew of them at the time.
I then just happened to have a spontaneous “Spiritual Awakening” of the natural “generic” kind, it came from withIN, not from some “OUTer” Institution full of dogma and creed …
The “point being” … I had thought for myself in life, seeking something above what society seemed to offer … and I eventually found it in GOD and a Spiritual Insight Involving Intuition, on and of my very own.
It was only then that I gained the confidence of my own views being more “right” (correct) more often than those of most of society in general.
Before that, I had sought the answers to world problems based upon the problems themselves and found that such reasoning always seemed to go in circles and seldom solved the problem, only bringing up countless other related problems.
Now I have found the truth of how the universe works and know it is not on the level of exclusive dualism where right is good and wrong is bad and the two have no relationship, with that deemed the lesser only suitable for fighting and destroying … where there is always a gap or void being maintained between the subjective determinations of positive and negative, IE, (+/-) …our present world view based upon our ignorance of the truth.
The UNIverse of the Unconditionally Loving GOD that I now know, works on a Trinity principle, of positives and negatives Interconnected with the Spirit of GOD, that Spirit designated as the “=“ in (+=-).
World Institutions have bastardized that UNIversal Truth into putting themselves in the place of the Spirit, and then dividing the natural positives and negatives into warring factions, pulling the strings of those below separated into two opposing camps … politically into Republican and Democrat, Conservative and Liberal … the “good” and the “bad” where each side is convinced they are better than the other … thus there is always competitive conflict and very seldom any cooperation because polarization is encouraged by the “controllers” who have adopted the position of Spirit as the “=“ and placed it out of sight far above in the shadows while breaking the linkage between those of us on the bottom and placing a void between us in “their” desire to “divide and control” us all …
They actually conspire in doing so, but then through the media empires they also own and control, they convince us that it is stupid to suggest that any conspiracy ever takes place …
They have in fact conspired to take control of all of the MSM and allow FOX to be the blatant standard of Far Right Conservatives … convincing their loyal followers that FOX is the only fair and balanced truth tellers available as they at the same time convince their followers to never trust the rest of the MSM because they are all said to be too Liberal.
At the very same time the “other” Media outlets really only play the role of Liberal in order to illicit trust in their voices from the Liberal side … but when things important to the owner/controllers come up, there will be whatever it takes saying to get the audience to support those most important key issues … “they”, the controllers, own the think-tanks that are always working on making sure that things go as planned … we are all being had … big time !
I realize that this information seems way too far out, just the rantings of a mad man to most of you readers, but that is the very plan of the mentioned controllers coming into fruition … to keep you all believing in only what “they” tell you insures “their” success … and ultimately your (our) loss … IMnsHO.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978036439 )
Yes Christianity IS the religion of PAUL !
Yes Christianity IS the religion of PAUL !
Now as for the Jews and the offshoot Christian relationship with Muslims ... it all goes way way way back ... back beyond where people will even look in this day and age, so set are they in their
dualistic world view of supposed reality ... as if the Bible was a true story of much of anything ... a few thousand years of brain-washing and we have what we have ... world wide !
Let us take that OT Bible at face value then ... especially with all of the things in it about nastiness and killing etc ... why would it be there if it had no part of the reality of the time ? ... where there is so much smoke there is usually a fire of some kind.
Religions in general, especially Christianity, trys to ignore, and actually actively condemns what they call the "New-Age" of belief ...
Let me explain that just a bit ... the NA is full of people just beginning to open to it ... their INtuitions tell them that the religions of old have not done a very good job of giving peace and truth to the people of the world ... they want something better, something more loving and peaceful ... not all that different than the movement of the 60's when the young people sought similar changes ...
In the 60's there was a spiritual energy that came from that realm which caused people to change their thinking in mass ... and some drugs led to people experiencing some breakthroughs in the rigidity of their mind-sets, opening them up to other potentials as they allowed themselves to break free of the box that society until then had attempted to build around their thinking ... a box of confinement that the social (and religious) leaders had the answers where materialism and war was "the way" ...
Of course the late-comers in mass did not get "that" message, they missed the esoteric message of real social change and naturally fell head over heals (literally) in love with the exoteric love and drug highs (which went together) ... the esoteric love of all humans was ignored when the exoteric idea of personal conquest in the name of one on one love "acts" gave more "immediate pleasure" ... in that sense the entire movement got a bad rap and petered out (literally) ...
But the NA movement continues and those with the true INtuitive message from the spiritual realm have did their best to explain it by writing countless excellent books about it ... one of the first that I came across was Marilyn Ferguson's " The Aquarian Conspiracy " (highly recommended even now) ... there are countless others available also ... another one that explains the "movement" more "scientifically" would be " Paths Beyond Ego" by Walsh and Vaughan, in which they say:
"" And yet if we only knew how each loss of one's viewpoint is a progress and how life changes when one passes from the stage of the closed truth to the stage of the open truth ... a truth like life itself, too great to be trapped by points of view, because it embraces every point of view ... a truth great enough to deny itself and pass endlessly into a higher truth. ""
But then as well as now, people settle for lesser truths and tend to stop and endlessly play-around with them ... just like the "druggies" of the 60's, the NA'ers who give that a bad name ... and the exoteric religionists of today that settle for the orthodoxy and push their far right conservative versions of Evangelicalism onto everyone they can. ... Often a really good barrel of apples gets entirely spoiled when the few rotten ones are not soon removed and set aside to do their own thing ...
So, back to the OT Bible and the Jews ... NA esoteric information, that more recently "channeled" from the spiritual realm (some extremely accurate and much a bunch of garbage, depending upon the character of the recipient) tells us of the vast cosmic histories which have led up to the human condition here on earth ... where there has been much participation, some good and some bad, from other "more" spiritual realms of our solar system and well beyond ... especially well beyond ... in the "seeding" (genetic engineering) the human "evolution" (let us set the actual "creation" issue aside here) ... not to mention the information that earth has had other "evolved" inhabitants who have "disappeared" at various times due to huge upheavals to nature due to cosmic seasons of origin ... and even a "helping" by the spiritual powers who could do so ... which are not insubstantial truth be known.
The Jews, it is said, are the first of the "advanced" (genetically superior) earth humans ... having come here from another planet in our system which was destroyed in galactic warring ... they had "leaders" who were "more evolved" who were able to advance into spiritual realms and dimensions "above" them ... it was those "leaders", gods actually ... that are written of in the oldest writings known to earth humans, the Tablets of Sumer ... those Tablet messages tell a story of the truth of such beginnings ... and they would explain ... for those willing to step out of the Box that Religion has constructed around them, how those gods concocted a story of God which became the OT Bible ...
The story, especially that explained in the vast writings of Zecharia Sitchen who actually learned the language of the Tablets, puts the entire matter into it's true place in our history ... a place that existing exoteric orthodoxy denies because their entire box of preferred reality depends upon the upholding of their "story" ... to hell with the real truth ... and why I maintain that the true (so-called) "evil" is the very folks that call "others" evil !!!
The God of the Jews ... and subsequently of the Christians ... and of the Muslims ... is the God created by the gods of the Sumer era !!!
Believe it or not, most will not ... but it lends reason to the conflicts in the name of God that have taken place here ever since ... The human race of "that time" was "modified" to become "materialistic" and to value Gold ... to the degree that we would be consumed by the seeking of it ... and the hoarding of it.
The reason being ... the gods required it for their own planetary uses ... on a particular planet that rotates through our solar system only every so many thousands of years due to it's strange orbit which is vastly different than the ones we (the common folk) know about ...
But those "left in charge" on earth would have a "religion" that kept them in line and supporting the needs of those not here ever since ... of course what these here have not realized, is that even those "gods" have found their truth and peace associated with the greater picture of the "Real GOD" ... yet those here still answer to God rather than GOD.
Speaking of Jews ... and most importantly ... this is NOT ANTI-SEMITIC ... "anti-Semitic" being a word concocted by the Jews to insure that people would succumb to peer pressure so as to never speak ill of them ever again ... that enforced by the atrocities experienced during the Holocaust ... continuing on ... (their is a vast difference between the Jews and the Zionists ... with many overlaps of course) ... " The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion " actually tells a true story of "evil" intent in the concept of the end justifies the means as said God (in truth then intended) ...
Yes ... I know ... it has all been "proved" to be but a Russian Hoax ... BS !
I have read the entire manuscript repeatedly with spiritual truth seeking INtuition ... and take the mention of Jews out of it, even the Zionists of you prefer, and it still gives a most truthful outline of the feelings and intentions of those of vast wealth who would control this entire world for their own aims ... the greatest conspiracy of all time ... the most well protected one also ... but a vast conspiracy never the less ... no matter how many folks have preferred to believe that no such can or even could exist without them knowing about it ... the only reason people will not know about it is because they choose to not believe it ... the information exists !!! (Hidden and disinformationed as it has intentionally become).
If you think that the Arab world and the Muslims are not aware of this and putting some truth into the believing of it ... mis-informed and dis-informed as much of it might be ... the underlying truth of those intentions "rings their bells of credulity" ... and mine ... and I seek only the highest truth.
I do not mention this, and the dualisms of the world, in order to cast blame, make judgments and condemnations ... only to get to the basic truths so that all can see them in the proper light in order to have something true to base their decisions and discernments upon ... we can still, those willing anyway, forgive and love each other, get on with a new future finally based upon a truth rather than lies ... I rest my case (for now). PEACE !
IMnsHO.
(this was copied from a recent comment of mine on LYR ... )(from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977980050)
Now as for the Jews and the offshoot Christian relationship with Muslims ... it all goes way way way back ... back beyond where people will even look in this day and age, so set are they in their
dualistic world view of supposed reality ... as if the Bible was a true story of much of anything ... a few thousand years of brain-washing and we have what we have ... world wide !
Let us take that OT Bible at face value then ... especially with all of the things in it about nastiness and killing etc ... why would it be there if it had no part of the reality of the time ? ... where there is so much smoke there is usually a fire of some kind.
Religions in general, especially Christianity, trys to ignore, and actually actively condemns what they call the "New-Age" of belief ...
Let me explain that just a bit ... the NA is full of people just beginning to open to it ... their INtuitions tell them that the religions of old have not done a very good job of giving peace and truth to the people of the world ... they want something better, something more loving and peaceful ... not all that different than the movement of the 60's when the young people sought similar changes ...
In the 60's there was a spiritual energy that came from that realm which caused people to change their thinking in mass ... and some drugs led to people experiencing some breakthroughs in the rigidity of their mind-sets, opening them up to other potentials as they allowed themselves to break free of the box that society until then had attempted to build around their thinking ... a box of confinement that the social (and religious) leaders had the answers where materialism and war was "the way" ...
Of course the late-comers in mass did not get "that" message, they missed the esoteric message of real social change and naturally fell head over heals (literally) in love with the exoteric love and drug highs (which went together) ... the esoteric love of all humans was ignored when the exoteric idea of personal conquest in the name of one on one love "acts" gave more "immediate pleasure" ... in that sense the entire movement got a bad rap and petered out (literally) ...
But the NA movement continues and those with the true INtuitive message from the spiritual realm have did their best to explain it by writing countless excellent books about it ... one of the first that I came across was Marilyn Ferguson's " The Aquarian Conspiracy " (highly recommended even now) ... there are countless others available also ... another one that explains the "movement" more "scientifically" would be " Paths Beyond Ego" by Walsh and Vaughan, in which they say:
"" And yet if we only knew how each loss of one's viewpoint is a progress and how life changes when one passes from the stage of the closed truth to the stage of the open truth ... a truth like life itself, too great to be trapped by points of view, because it embraces every point of view ... a truth great enough to deny itself and pass endlessly into a higher truth. ""
But then as well as now, people settle for lesser truths and tend to stop and endlessly play-around with them ... just like the "druggies" of the 60's, the NA'ers who give that a bad name ... and the exoteric religionists of today that settle for the orthodoxy and push their far right conservative versions of Evangelicalism onto everyone they can. ... Often a really good barrel of apples gets entirely spoiled when the few rotten ones are not soon removed and set aside to do their own thing ...
So, back to the OT Bible and the Jews ... NA esoteric information, that more recently "channeled" from the spiritual realm (some extremely accurate and much a bunch of garbage, depending upon the character of the recipient) tells us of the vast cosmic histories which have led up to the human condition here on earth ... where there has been much participation, some good and some bad, from other "more" spiritual realms of our solar system and well beyond ... especially well beyond ... in the "seeding" (genetic engineering) the human "evolution" (let us set the actual "creation" issue aside here) ... not to mention the information that earth has had other "evolved" inhabitants who have "disappeared" at various times due to huge upheavals to nature due to cosmic seasons of origin ... and even a "helping" by the spiritual powers who could do so ... which are not insubstantial truth be known.
The Jews, it is said, are the first of the "advanced" (genetically superior) earth humans ... having come here from another planet in our system which was destroyed in galactic warring ... they had "leaders" who were "more evolved" who were able to advance into spiritual realms and dimensions "above" them ... it was those "leaders", gods actually ... that are written of in the oldest writings known to earth humans, the Tablets of Sumer ... those Tablet messages tell a story of the truth of such beginnings ... and they would explain ... for those willing to step out of the Box that Religion has constructed around them, how those gods concocted a story of God which became the OT Bible ...
The story, especially that explained in the vast writings of Zecharia Sitchen who actually learned the language of the Tablets, puts the entire matter into it's true place in our history ... a place that existing exoteric orthodoxy denies because their entire box of preferred reality depends upon the upholding of their "story" ... to hell with the real truth ... and why I maintain that the true (so-called) "evil" is the very folks that call "others" evil !!!
The God of the Jews ... and subsequently of the Christians ... and of the Muslims ... is the God created by the gods of the Sumer era !!!
Believe it or not, most will not ... but it lends reason to the conflicts in the name of God that have taken place here ever since ... The human race of "that time" was "modified" to become "materialistic" and to value Gold ... to the degree that we would be consumed by the seeking of it ... and the hoarding of it.
The reason being ... the gods required it for their own planetary uses ... on a particular planet that rotates through our solar system only every so many thousands of years due to it's strange orbit which is vastly different than the ones we (the common folk) know about ...
But those "left in charge" on earth would have a "religion" that kept them in line and supporting the needs of those not here ever since ... of course what these here have not realized, is that even those "gods" have found their truth and peace associated with the greater picture of the "Real GOD" ... yet those here still answer to God rather than GOD.
Speaking of Jews ... and most importantly ... this is NOT ANTI-SEMITIC ... "anti-Semitic" being a word concocted by the Jews to insure that people would succumb to peer pressure so as to never speak ill of them ever again ... that enforced by the atrocities experienced during the Holocaust ... continuing on ... (their is a vast difference between the Jews and the Zionists ... with many overlaps of course) ... " The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion " actually tells a true story of "evil" intent in the concept of the end justifies the means as said God (in truth then intended) ...
Yes ... I know ... it has all been "proved" to be but a Russian Hoax ... BS !
I have read the entire manuscript repeatedly with spiritual truth seeking INtuition ... and take the mention of Jews out of it, even the Zionists of you prefer, and it still gives a most truthful outline of the feelings and intentions of those of vast wealth who would control this entire world for their own aims ... the greatest conspiracy of all time ... the most well protected one also ... but a vast conspiracy never the less ... no matter how many folks have preferred to believe that no such can or even could exist without them knowing about it ... the only reason people will not know about it is because they choose to not believe it ... the information exists !!! (Hidden and disinformationed as it has intentionally become).
If you think that the Arab world and the Muslims are not aware of this and putting some truth into the believing of it ... mis-informed and dis-informed as much of it might be ... the underlying truth of those intentions "rings their bells of credulity" ... and mine ... and I seek only the highest truth.
I do not mention this, and the dualisms of the world, in order to cast blame, make judgments and condemnations ... only to get to the basic truths so that all can see them in the proper light in order to have something true to base their decisions and discernments upon ... we can still, those willing anyway, forgive and love each other, get on with a new future finally based upon a truth rather than lies ... I rest my case (for now). PEACE !
IMnsHO.
(this was copied from a recent comment of mine on LYR ... )(from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977980050)
VISIONS OF GOD ... EXOTERICALLY FUNDAMENTAL ... OR ... ESOTERICALLY SPIRITUAL ??
There are countless ways to envision GOD (even God and god(s)), enough that should satisfy anyone and everyone. So, if we would just slow down a bit and seek out the basic fundamental truth of the subject, we might just find that we are all on the very same path, just using different tools and vehicles.
I have recently been very active on another thread where I have made a couple (or more) comments that are, seemingly to me, important enough to be shared further with all.
I will post them here hoping that you will excuse the inconsistencies of certain names and thoughts related to the original (more than to this) where they exist. Treat them as separate subjects if you so desire to read or comment here ... but if interested further, here is the article they come from.
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:10am EDT
My "faith" is that GOD is the ALL of Creation ... not "separate" from nor "outside" of, but that every aspect and piece of it are the "parts" of which GOD consists of.
GOD then being considered the relative whole, or "First Person" of the Trinity, depending upon how one wants to define relativities, would be a relative (+) ... Creation then is the relative (-) ... and ubiquitous throughout Creation is the Holy Spirit of GOD as the (=) ... All together (+=-).
In the above "arrangement" it is the Spiritual component, of GOD, as the (=) being the closest and most sublime experience we can have of GOD as living breathing humans ... and "that" Spirit can truthfully called (named) by anything that denotes it as to what it really is ... call it the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, your own Soul/higher Self, or even the Spirit of Christ, including the name Christ Jesus if one is so inclined ... but it must be, to be true, your most highest expectation of what GOD offers to you.
If you then are doing what you believe is the best that you can in following religious dogma and creed to the best of your ability believing it your highest truth, then you are OK in GOD's eye (so to speak) ...
So, as you Sue have said, we are each on our own path and at differing stages along the way ... some want to see a more objective Jesus Christ as their saving grace and best they can do pending his promised "second coming" ... others, such as myself, believe that the "second coming" will be when we open our body, mind, and Soul to the experience of reception of the Spirit from withIN ... by any "name" representing the highest truth and unconditional love available ...
The more conservative the outlook, the more reserved the person in the direction of objectivity and materialized "proofs" ... the more liberal the philosophy, the more open to potentials of possibility, especially in the realm of subjectivity ... which is what GOD and Spirit are most about.
IMnsHO.
The next is :
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 2:22pm EDT
I believe that GOD will present Himself to us as whatever we think we need to find Him ... assuming that we really and truly are looking for Him (or Her) ..
Then be that, as in my case, a higher Self, found to be my Soul, ...(and female in nature to balance "us" out to a neutral (=) in the total spiritual package, halfway between my "former" belief and that of an eventual Omega with GOD))... or in the case of TICA that being Jesus Christ ... and in the case of John (so it seems) it being "The Book" ...
Whatever the "Tool", whatever the "Image", whatever the "Concept" ... IF it is for the final goal of being close to GOD as the epitome of Love and Truth related to the whole of the UNIverse, "created" or "not", IF the intention and goal is sufficient in the eyes of said GOD, you will become united ... I believe myself "Spiritually" united, TICA believes herself so also via Christ ... John, I assume that you do also through The Book ... whatever it is that unites us with GOD unites us with each other THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF GOD ... not JUST a TOOL ... we cannot really and truly define GOD, so the best that we can do, and that which we all do most often, is relate to GOD through the TOOL with which we used when we found "Him/Her/It" ... BUT ... forever remember and do not confuse ourselves, THE TOOL is NOT GOD ... it is but A PATH to GOD.
We pick the best tool for the job we attempt to complete ... the tool depends upon the problem we find in front of us that needs correcting, fixing, the best tool is that which does the best job solving our problem ... but I repeat, do not worship the tool in place of the goal, GOD.
This is all a very important issue that more of us need to look into in order to find our common ground around our "source" rather than the "tools" we use. Lets not fight over the tools, there are more than enough to go around ... and for certain ones, we can always share them ... as we would prefer to share GOD with each other. IMnsHO.
And finally the conclusion:
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:02pm EDT
I expect that I am probably about finished on this thread, so will offer one final thought before I go and turn a couple of my earlier comments into my own latest article/post ... I feel that this entire discussion has been very beneficial to us all ... wishful thinking aside. :-)
My latest thought was about the Title of this article ... the nature of the FUNDAMENTAL ... GOD IS THE FUNDAMENTAL ... all else are but various things of which "tools" are a part of the "kit" we use to get down to the BASIC FUNDAMENTAL ...
A belief system for seeking GOD will often be then a "tool" ... many use what they call FAITH ... that often based upon certain tools ... the various faiths being the various tools.
Sometimes, often, a certain tool takes us just so far towards our eventual "repairs" ... sometimes we then, if not yet completely satisfied with the quality and success of our endeavor, switch over to another different, yet related, tool ... whatever it takes to get us to the completion we desire or dream of ...
Some folks only seek a "serviceable" completion, one that "runs" and gets them down the "road" ... their final destination is not the issue so much as the quality of the "ride" and their faith in the fact that they believe it will get them "there" wherever it is they may finally decide later that they want to go ... enjoy the ride then.
Other folks will maybe look for a little more pizazz or excitement for their Sunday Drive, they may want a different "vehicle" (tool) than others on the "road" (path) ... they (and that might refer to me) may not be satisfied with "ordinary" (orthodox) tools because they want to live out more on the edge ... the vehicle then needed by them will be different than others ... it may even be "faster" ... and thus more "dangerous" if mishandled ... it will not be the "fundamental" serviceable vehicle, it will be more "esoteric" ... one being more spiritually "electrified" and exciting to drive ...
And those with the slower yet serviceable, vehicles may get really upset when the speeders roar down "their" road ... after all, if everyone slows down, there will be fewer challenges, the drive will be more peaceful and though it may take longer, the reward will be the same ... so they think ... but will it ? I am not so sure ... I think there is enough road and even enough intermediary points for rest, relaxation, and recuperation, that those who want to use them can, and those more energized can get right on down the road to their final destination ... if they so desire. Some of us, probably all of us, will happily stop to help, or even pickup those along the way should they need or desire a different or speedier "trip" ... and possibly some different more interesting company to converse with ...
There is no need to set up road blocks to check vehicles and credentials as some religious institutions want to do ... the road is not a tollway, it is a free highway with plenty of room ... just watch out for the turnoffs and curves ... and be careful not to stray into oncoming lanes because there are others going different places for different reasons driving different vehicles and using different tools to repair them ...
Let us try to see the "bigger picture" and share it ... be an exoteric fundamentalist if you so choose, but allow the esoteric spiritualist a place on the road also. Please !
Those of you who took the time to read all of this, I thank you profusely from the bottom of my heart. Nemaste, j.
(reprint from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977867244 )
I have recently been very active on another thread where I have made a couple (or more) comments that are, seemingly to me, important enough to be shared further with all.
I will post them here hoping that you will excuse the inconsistencies of certain names and thoughts related to the original (more than to this) where they exist. Treat them as separate subjects if you so desire to read or comment here ... but if interested further, here is the article they come from.
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:10am EDT
My "faith" is that GOD is the ALL of Creation ... not "separate" from nor "outside" of, but that every aspect and piece of it are the "parts" of which GOD consists of.
GOD then being considered the relative whole, or "First Person" of the Trinity, depending upon how one wants to define relativities, would be a relative (+) ... Creation then is the relative (-) ... and ubiquitous throughout Creation is the Holy Spirit of GOD as the (=) ... All together (+=-).
In the above "arrangement" it is the Spiritual component, of GOD, as the (=) being the closest and most sublime experience we can have of GOD as living breathing humans ... and "that" Spirit can truthfully called (named) by anything that denotes it as to what it really is ... call it the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, your own Soul/higher Self, or even the Spirit of Christ, including the name Christ Jesus if one is so inclined ... but it must be, to be true, your most highest expectation of what GOD offers to you.
If you then are doing what you believe is the best that you can in following religious dogma and creed to the best of your ability believing it your highest truth, then you are OK in GOD's eye (so to speak) ...
So, as you Sue have said, we are each on our own path and at differing stages along the way ... some want to see a more objective Jesus Christ as their saving grace and best they can do pending his promised "second coming" ... others, such as myself, believe that the "second coming" will be when we open our body, mind, and Soul to the experience of reception of the Spirit from withIN ... by any "name" representing the highest truth and unconditional love available ...
The more conservative the outlook, the more reserved the person in the direction of objectivity and materialized "proofs" ... the more liberal the philosophy, the more open to potentials of possibility, especially in the realm of subjectivity ... which is what GOD and Spirit are most about.
IMnsHO.
The next is :
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 2:22pm EDT
I believe that GOD will present Himself to us as whatever we think we need to find Him ... assuming that we really and truly are looking for Him (or Her) ..
Then be that, as in my case, a higher Self, found to be my Soul, ...(and female in nature to balance "us" out to a neutral (=) in the total spiritual package, halfway between my "former" belief and that of an eventual Omega with GOD))... or in the case of TICA that being Jesus Christ ... and in the case of John (so it seems) it being "The Book" ...
Whatever the "Tool", whatever the "Image", whatever the "Concept" ... IF it is for the final goal of being close to GOD as the epitome of Love and Truth related to the whole of the UNIverse, "created" or "not", IF the intention and goal is sufficient in the eyes of said GOD, you will become united ... I believe myself "Spiritually" united, TICA believes herself so also via Christ ... John, I assume that you do also through The Book ... whatever it is that unites us with GOD unites us with each other THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF GOD ... not JUST a TOOL ... we cannot really and truly define GOD, so the best that we can do, and that which we all do most often, is relate to GOD through the TOOL with which we used when we found "Him/Her/It" ... BUT ... forever remember and do not confuse ourselves, THE TOOL is NOT GOD ... it is but A PATH to GOD.
We pick the best tool for the job we attempt to complete ... the tool depends upon the problem we find in front of us that needs correcting, fixing, the best tool is that which does the best job solving our problem ... but I repeat, do not worship the tool in place of the goal, GOD.
This is all a very important issue that more of us need to look into in order to find our common ground around our "source" rather than the "tools" we use. Lets not fight over the tools, there are more than enough to go around ... and for certain ones, we can always share them ... as we would prefer to share GOD with each other. IMnsHO.
And finally the conclusion:
Jerry Kays Oct 23, 2009, 3:02pm EDT
I expect that I am probably about finished on this thread, so will offer one final thought before I go and turn a couple of my earlier comments into my own latest article/post ... I feel that this entire discussion has been very beneficial to us all ... wishful thinking aside. :-)
My latest thought was about the Title of this article ... the nature of the FUNDAMENTAL ... GOD IS THE FUNDAMENTAL ... all else are but various things of which "tools" are a part of the "kit" we use to get down to the BASIC FUNDAMENTAL ...
A belief system for seeking GOD will often be then a "tool" ... many use what they call FAITH ... that often based upon certain tools ... the various faiths being the various tools.
Sometimes, often, a certain tool takes us just so far towards our eventual "repairs" ... sometimes we then, if not yet completely satisfied with the quality and success of our endeavor, switch over to another different, yet related, tool ... whatever it takes to get us to the completion we desire or dream of ...
Some folks only seek a "serviceable" completion, one that "runs" and gets them down the "road" ... their final destination is not the issue so much as the quality of the "ride" and their faith in the fact that they believe it will get them "there" wherever it is they may finally decide later that they want to go ... enjoy the ride then.
Other folks will maybe look for a little more pizazz or excitement for their Sunday Drive, they may want a different "vehicle" (tool) than others on the "road" (path) ... they (and that might refer to me) may not be satisfied with "ordinary" (orthodox) tools because they want to live out more on the edge ... the vehicle then needed by them will be different than others ... it may even be "faster" ... and thus more "dangerous" if mishandled ... it will not be the "fundamental" serviceable vehicle, it will be more "esoteric" ... one being more spiritually "electrified" and exciting to drive ...
And those with the slower yet serviceable, vehicles may get really upset when the speeders roar down "their" road ... after all, if everyone slows down, there will be fewer challenges, the drive will be more peaceful and though it may take longer, the reward will be the same ... so they think ... but will it ? I am not so sure ... I think there is enough road and even enough intermediary points for rest, relaxation, and recuperation, that those who want to use them can, and those more energized can get right on down the road to their final destination ... if they so desire. Some of us, probably all of us, will happily stop to help, or even pickup those along the way should they need or desire a different or speedier "trip" ... and possibly some different more interesting company to converse with ...
There is no need to set up road blocks to check vehicles and credentials as some religious institutions want to do ... the road is not a tollway, it is a free highway with plenty of room ... just watch out for the turnoffs and curves ... and be careful not to stray into oncoming lanes because there are others going different places for different reasons driving different vehicles and using different tools to repair them ...
Let us try to see the "bigger picture" and share it ... be an exoteric fundamentalist if you so choose, but allow the esoteric spiritualist a place on the road also. Please !
Those of you who took the time to read all of this, I thank you profusely from the bottom of my heart. Nemaste, j.
(reprint from:http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977867244 )
IDEOLOGY ... HOW "OUR SYSTEM" REALLY WORKS ...
This nation was founded upon the concept of two political parties ... not so much opposing each other ... as cooperating for the common cause of the nation itself.
Now though, we have been divided in acrimony for the purposes of control by the leaders ... those leaders being our corrupt politicians that seek rather the"perks" of the K-Street Lobby payoff, and multiple terms in office for their own purposes, rather than of service to those they were intended to serve.
It is called divide and conquer ... the oldest tactic of conflict known to mankind ... and perpetrated not by those "leaders" we envision and know of, as much as those with even greater wealth who hide in the shadows of anonymity pulling the strings of all of those under them such as our mentioned politicians, their staffs, the think-tanks that inform them, and the heads of the media that informs us ...
All such is built on a hierarchical pyramid construct based upon a "need to know only" separation where those nearer to the apex, the top, are the only ones that know the full story and intentions of the rather small (comparatively) group who actually do the controlling while those under them either fail to suspect the ulterior motives, or keep silent rather than suffer the consequences of losing their position and it's rewards.
But as long as we fall for what "they" intend, we encourage the "game" ... as we instead of looking up for the truth, fight ideologically with each other ... we also being but puppets in that regard.
The sophistication of our actual controllers is so great that they have actually convinced us into believing that the politicians we elect will actually be serving us rather than them, even the politicians themselves are relatively unaware of the degree of control being exercised by those above them ... we have all been been brainwashed over our lifetimes to never suspect.
IMnsHO.
(The above was left originally as a comment on another thread and placed here for my own record keeping.)
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977809886 )
Now though, we have been divided in acrimony for the purposes of control by the leaders ... those leaders being our corrupt politicians that seek rather the"perks" of the K-Street Lobby payoff, and multiple terms in office for their own purposes, rather than of service to those they were intended to serve.
It is called divide and conquer ... the oldest tactic of conflict known to mankind ... and perpetrated not by those "leaders" we envision and know of, as much as those with even greater wealth who hide in the shadows of anonymity pulling the strings of all of those under them such as our mentioned politicians, their staffs, the think-tanks that inform them, and the heads of the media that informs us ...
All such is built on a hierarchical pyramid construct based upon a "need to know only" separation where those nearer to the apex, the top, are the only ones that know the full story and intentions of the rather small (comparatively) group who actually do the controlling while those under them either fail to suspect the ulterior motives, or keep silent rather than suffer the consequences of losing their position and it's rewards.
But as long as we fall for what "they" intend, we encourage the "game" ... as we instead of looking up for the truth, fight ideologically with each other ... we also being but puppets in that regard.
The sophistication of our actual controllers is so great that they have actually convinced us into believing that the politicians we elect will actually be serving us rather than them, even the politicians themselves are relatively unaware of the degree of control being exercised by those above them ... we have all been been brainwashed over our lifetimes to never suspect.
IMnsHO.
(The above was left originally as a comment on another thread and placed here for my own record keeping.)
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977809886 )
NOTHING: ... What is it ... where is it ... is it a god or GOD ???
I awoke this morning thinking about nothing ... for just a moment ... is that where it is located ... in a moment ?
Could I, as my thought be that nothing ?
Then ... IF ... there is one ... a GOD ... where is it ... what is it ... when is it ??
IF GOD is ALL ... does THAT MAKE ME NOTHING ? ... OR ... a god as a potential GOD ??
Just something to think about ... and just for the record to record my thought of the morning. I will be headed down the road soon, so will not be here to participate after tomorrow (very little if any) ... but it should give some of you more intellectually adventurous folks something to think about ... how do you fit into the grand scheme of things ???
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Could I, as my thought be that nothing ?
Then ... IF ... there is one ... a GOD ... where is it ... what is it ... when is it ??
IF GOD is ALL ... does THAT MAKE ME NOTHING ? ... OR ... a god as a potential GOD ??
Just something to think about ... and just for the record to record my thought of the morning. I will be headed down the road soon, so will not be here to participate after tomorrow (very little if any) ... but it should give some of you more intellectually adventurous folks something to think about ... how do you fit into the grand scheme of things ???
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977797211 )
JUST HOW REAL IS YOUR REALITY ???
What is real ?
What is reality ?
Why do you think that is so ?
How do you suppose it all came about ?
What I believe that most folks claim is real, is that which they can sense with their 5 objective senses, the touch, taste, smell, hear and see, of the outer material realm of their physically manifested experience.
For those objective oriented “rationalists”, that is the only logical answer to the question of relative importance in regards to reality, everything else is lesser, and if of the mind, subjective and seldom to be trusted where anything of importance is concerned.
They then tend to think that the mind is but some thinking activity generated in their brain and that intuition, imagination, the conscience and dreams, are then all “manufactured” by brain electro-chemical activity.
Most of our world society, especially in the “west”, seems to think like that, with of course some exceptions such as the more “spiritual” amongst us.
Where does that leave the “religionists” one might ask then ? I would suggest that the bulk of them are objective in their primary consideration and that their religion is very secondary to that. Thus that which matters religiously most to them is what might take place in the hereafter and what they call their “faith” suffices to insure them of the best outcome. Few of them believe enough though to “test” that faith by putting their very life on the line for it. (excluding of course the Japanese Kamikazes and the Muslim Martyrs).
Science then becomes the most impressive discipline for the objective rationalist, even for those religious, even though some might claim otherwise.
Under science then is the very beginning of human life seen as evolutionary and argued against by many religionists who believe in a God “created” beginning. I sometimes wonder why it even matters to folks how we began … if one seeks a particular beginning to believe in so as to validate all other subsequent experience, then it stands to reason that they will support one or another view of our beginnings, especially, as in the case of the religionists, if they think it determines the outcome of their ending.
Of course these are really just “generalizations” and the truth of the matter is that people range widely in their belief systems, and even that thinking being subjective to at least momentary changes when special conditions are experienced.
Personally, I was more into the scientific mode of thinking for most of my life and being then what is called an agnostic in regards to religion (spirituality was just a part of religion to my mind then). Via such thinking then, the ego self was #1 when the chips were down, survival and the well being of that self were primary. But being a “family man” with wife and children, it was suspected deep down inside that there may well become a time when “they” became “primary” …
Eventually in my life though, I became depressed about the world condition and the lack of truth being expressed in it, especially by most of the folks that held supposedly important posts of leadership and authority. I eventually decided that if that was as good as the world had to offer, then I wanted no more part of it. I even became somewhat suicidal about it all. I had no concerns about an afterlife and little desire for more of the present life, yet I held onto some small amount of hope for a number of years.
Then I began to think about things that I had never considered before, things such as the subjective aspects of thought and the mind and if there could possibly be a relationship that I could buy into related to a spiritual realm outside of religion. The more I looked, the more I found !
I now believe that the Spiritual Realm, whatever that amounts to, is the a priori, the very essence of the source of all of that experienced a posteriori here in the physical realm we commonly experience. That everything is interconnected with spiritual intelligence and that the “higher” reality, if I had to choose one, would be that of the Spiritual, and I now fully expect to give up this life just for that when the time comes, no fear involved.
Thus as religions have said, reality is what we make it to be. We are made in the “image of” GOD (whatever that is) and are thus mini-creators in our own right … and co-creators with the society we associate with, cumulatively, as we think, so it is or will be.
I now know that what we call “facts” and the “truth” are but relatively so as concoctions we as humans have “made-up” as we went, in order to have something in common to “agree” upon for the sake of relatedness in our communications.
Such things as the measurements of time and space are but things that we have decided long ago as a basis of our understanding and are in the greater picture of GOD’s eternity no more real or valid than anything else. They are all “arbitrary” when you get right down to it, as is what “we think” of our reality.
IMnsHO. (In My not so Humble Opinion)
I would hope that the above might inspire some “deeper” thinking and related comments by others … have at it.
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What is reality ?
Why do you think that is so ?
How do you suppose it all came about ?
What I believe that most folks claim is real, is that which they can sense with their 5 objective senses, the touch, taste, smell, hear and see, of the outer material realm of their physically manifested experience.
For those objective oriented “rationalists”, that is the only logical answer to the question of relative importance in regards to reality, everything else is lesser, and if of the mind, subjective and seldom to be trusted where anything of importance is concerned.
They then tend to think that the mind is but some thinking activity generated in their brain and that intuition, imagination, the conscience and dreams, are then all “manufactured” by brain electro-chemical activity.
Most of our world society, especially in the “west”, seems to think like that, with of course some exceptions such as the more “spiritual” amongst us.
Where does that leave the “religionists” one might ask then ? I would suggest that the bulk of them are objective in their primary consideration and that their religion is very secondary to that. Thus that which matters religiously most to them is what might take place in the hereafter and what they call their “faith” suffices to insure them of the best outcome. Few of them believe enough though to “test” that faith by putting their very life on the line for it. (excluding of course the Japanese Kamikazes and the Muslim Martyrs).
Science then becomes the most impressive discipline for the objective rationalist, even for those religious, even though some might claim otherwise.
Under science then is the very beginning of human life seen as evolutionary and argued against by many religionists who believe in a God “created” beginning. I sometimes wonder why it even matters to folks how we began … if one seeks a particular beginning to believe in so as to validate all other subsequent experience, then it stands to reason that they will support one or another view of our beginnings, especially, as in the case of the religionists, if they think it determines the outcome of their ending.
Of course these are really just “generalizations” and the truth of the matter is that people range widely in their belief systems, and even that thinking being subjective to at least momentary changes when special conditions are experienced.
Personally, I was more into the scientific mode of thinking for most of my life and being then what is called an agnostic in regards to religion (spirituality was just a part of religion to my mind then). Via such thinking then, the ego self was #1 when the chips were down, survival and the well being of that self were primary. But being a “family man” with wife and children, it was suspected deep down inside that there may well become a time when “they” became “primary” …
Eventually in my life though, I became depressed about the world condition and the lack of truth being expressed in it, especially by most of the folks that held supposedly important posts of leadership and authority. I eventually decided that if that was as good as the world had to offer, then I wanted no more part of it. I even became somewhat suicidal about it all. I had no concerns about an afterlife and little desire for more of the present life, yet I held onto some small amount of hope for a number of years.
Then I began to think about things that I had never considered before, things such as the subjective aspects of thought and the mind and if there could possibly be a relationship that I could buy into related to a spiritual realm outside of religion. The more I looked, the more I found !
I now believe that the Spiritual Realm, whatever that amounts to, is the a priori, the very essence of the source of all of that experienced a posteriori here in the physical realm we commonly experience. That everything is interconnected with spiritual intelligence and that the “higher” reality, if I had to choose one, would be that of the Spiritual, and I now fully expect to give up this life just for that when the time comes, no fear involved.
Thus as religions have said, reality is what we make it to be. We are made in the “image of” GOD (whatever that is) and are thus mini-creators in our own right … and co-creators with the society we associate with, cumulatively, as we think, so it is or will be.
I now know that what we call “facts” and the “truth” are but relatively so as concoctions we as humans have “made-up” as we went, in order to have something in common to “agree” upon for the sake of relatedness in our communications.
Such things as the measurements of time and space are but things that we have decided long ago as a basis of our understanding and are in the greater picture of GOD’s eternity no more real or valid than anything else. They are all “arbitrary” when you get right down to it, as is what “we think” of our reality.
IMnsHO. (In My not so Humble Opinion)
I would hope that the above might inspire some “deeper” thinking and related comments by others … have at it.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977757072 )
POLAR EXTREMES as compared to BALANCE ... and how such affects our REALITY.
From "my" perspective (for what it's worth) "balance" is "perfection" ... in that in every "whole" there must be an equal but opposite to all "sides" ... the very center of a circle or a sphere being the example of the balance point, the center, or "perfection" when all considered is accounted for. That same place, being the essence of the total, is also considered the "heart" of that total.
If and when a "universe" is considered "spiritually," it is said that GOD is at the center of all (except for those who claim God as outside looking in) and GOD being defined most consistently as unconditional Love and highest Truth, GOD is considered at the "heart" of all matter denoting especially that Love and non-judgmental acceptance of "all" ...
That "all" consisting of the whole of "creation" which naturally includes "both" potentials, of positive (+), that some see as good, at the extreme as "perfection", as well as the negative (-), which others see as bad, so bad they place a name such as "Satan" on it to personalize it.
Thus for some, if not most, it becomes a "linear" picture of reality where they effectively draw themselves a "line" where they place GOD, and good as perfection, at the far (let us say "right" as in righteous) and place the "opposite", the "other" as the "less than", the "worst" because at that other "extreme" exists a hell of death and destruction into a nothing at all (in their linear minds) !
These folks then are "dualists" that see things separately, divided or subtracted from each other into the "acceptable" and the "non-acceptable" ... in the extreme such thinking would denote man, such as in the original man, Adam, the "male" (and "electrically plumbed" as "positive") as "first" (primary), "best" (the original), "good" (as it gets between that and the subsequent) ... then "mistakenly" placing the woman, Eve, as a "secondary", female (and electrically plumbed as the "negative") and thus "lesser" creative "partner" of "subservience" ... "woman, get thee "behind" thy man" ... no "middle ground" "fence sitting" allowed either, because that is where the "other" (the homosexuals ?) side can tempt you away from your "perfection" ...
So what about that "dualism" seeking extremes ? The "believers", and most of us have been "indoctrinated" over our lifetimes to be such "believers", or at least that has been the intent of our "authorities," both religious as well as secular "institutions," who want "their followers" to get behind them as leaders, the one convinced to be either a "leader" or a subservient "follower" and to not rock the boat, just maintain the "orthodoxy" as the leaders direct. Individual freedoms suppressed for the greater good of the "organization" ... with of course the "particular" organization being chosen "over" any other ... thus competition and conflict with "other" (organizations) continues.
The preceding has been pretty much the "dualistic" story of differences at odds with each other, (+/-), where they have created a gap or void as (/) between the "parts", (+/-).
The "more real", the "original" (before the "fall from the garden") story, was the "real perfection", a "real balance", a story of "equal BUT opposites" AND their CONNECTION (their "commonality"), that of GOD.
That being a "TRINITY of (+=-)" where GOD was (and still is, especially as Spirit) the (=) (equalizer) in between all differences, (+) AND (-). Thus (+=-)>(+/-) ... [> greater than].
In short, we should be able, based upon understanding the preceding, "now" be able, to see why so many think and act as they do in this world and why we have so much conflict and strife. As I see it we must begin to understand the Trinity as transcendent to the Dualism that "seems" to exist ... we must realize that GOD, and GOD's Spirit, is our commonality, our loving connector, that which would allow more appreciation of natural diversity, even between opposites, that which promotes cooperation, compassion, and that which results in creative SYNERGY ... rather than the conflicting competitive destruction of dualism's "extremes".
The "point being" ... the CENTER is the BALANCE point of any complete whole and creation is such a complete whole, and GOD is at the center of any truth of it, in Spirit ! That is in every time and place as the "now" when found. All one has to do is seriously seek such an understanding and it will be granted to them. Such a "REALization" will be the "remembrance" of the original wholeness from which we came (fell ?) ...
Quit seeking "extremes" as a "win/lose" issue ... seek the common balance point of Spirit and appreciate the potential synergy available from diversity cooperating with common goals towards the betterment of all of humanity and creation as a whole ...
I apologize (again) for the length and the repetition of such "messages" from me to you all ... but this is the core of my "teaching" that I feel compelled to do ... we must come to understand the workings and reasons for our present condition in order to differentiate between it and a potential "better" in order to improve our lot in life ... to become Spiritual in the generic sense of non-religiousness may be "the answer" ... IMnsHO.
[this was originally a comment post to
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977697395
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If and when a "universe" is considered "spiritually," it is said that GOD is at the center of all (except for those who claim God as outside looking in) and GOD being defined most consistently as unconditional Love and highest Truth, GOD is considered at the "heart" of all matter denoting especially that Love and non-judgmental acceptance of "all" ...
That "all" consisting of the whole of "creation" which naturally includes "both" potentials, of positive (+), that some see as good, at the extreme as "perfection", as well as the negative (-), which others see as bad, so bad they place a name such as "Satan" on it to personalize it.
Thus for some, if not most, it becomes a "linear" picture of reality where they effectively draw themselves a "line" where they place GOD, and good as perfection, at the far (let us say "right" as in righteous) and place the "opposite", the "other" as the "less than", the "worst" because at that other "extreme" exists a hell of death and destruction into a nothing at all (in their linear minds) !
These folks then are "dualists" that see things separately, divided or subtracted from each other into the "acceptable" and the "non-acceptable" ... in the extreme such thinking would denote man, such as in the original man, Adam, the "male" (and "electrically plumbed" as "positive") as "first" (primary), "best" (the original), "good" (as it gets between that and the subsequent) ... then "mistakenly" placing the woman, Eve, as a "secondary", female (and electrically plumbed as the "negative") and thus "lesser" creative "partner" of "subservience" ... "woman, get thee "behind" thy man" ... no "middle ground" "fence sitting" allowed either, because that is where the "other" (the homosexuals ?) side can tempt you away from your "perfection" ...
So what about that "dualism" seeking extremes ? The "believers", and most of us have been "indoctrinated" over our lifetimes to be such "believers", or at least that has been the intent of our "authorities," both religious as well as secular "institutions," who want "their followers" to get behind them as leaders, the one convinced to be either a "leader" or a subservient "follower" and to not rock the boat, just maintain the "orthodoxy" as the leaders direct. Individual freedoms suppressed for the greater good of the "organization" ... with of course the "particular" organization being chosen "over" any other ... thus competition and conflict with "other" (organizations) continues.
The preceding has been pretty much the "dualistic" story of differences at odds with each other, (+/-), where they have created a gap or void as (/) between the "parts", (+/-).
The "more real", the "original" (before the "fall from the garden") story, was the "real perfection", a "real balance", a story of "equal BUT opposites" AND their CONNECTION (their "commonality"), that of GOD.
That being a "TRINITY of (+=-)" where GOD was (and still is, especially as Spirit) the (=) (equalizer) in between all differences, (+) AND (-). Thus (+=-)>(+/-) ... [> greater than].
In short, we should be able, based upon understanding the preceding, "now" be able, to see why so many think and act as they do in this world and why we have so much conflict and strife. As I see it we must begin to understand the Trinity as transcendent to the Dualism that "seems" to exist ... we must realize that GOD, and GOD's Spirit, is our commonality, our loving connector, that which would allow more appreciation of natural diversity, even between opposites, that which promotes cooperation, compassion, and that which results in creative SYNERGY ... rather than the conflicting competitive destruction of dualism's "extremes".
The "point being" ... the CENTER is the BALANCE point of any complete whole and creation is such a complete whole, and GOD is at the center of any truth of it, in Spirit ! That is in every time and place as the "now" when found. All one has to do is seriously seek such an understanding and it will be granted to them. Such a "REALization" will be the "remembrance" of the original wholeness from which we came (fell ?) ...
Quit seeking "extremes" as a "win/lose" issue ... seek the common balance point of Spirit and appreciate the potential synergy available from diversity cooperating with common goals towards the betterment of all of humanity and creation as a whole ...
I apologize (again) for the length and the repetition of such "messages" from me to you all ... but this is the core of my "teaching" that I feel compelled to do ... we must come to understand the workings and reasons for our present condition in order to differentiate between it and a potential "better" in order to improve our lot in life ... to become Spiritual in the generic sense of non-religiousness may be "the answer" ... IMnsHO.
[this was originally a comment post to
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977697395
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977702431 )
PARADOX ...
Paradox is a no-no to dualists ... dualists require "completion", clear cut decision making between the extremes of choice, you are either with them or against them. Good (+) or bad (-) ... (+/-).
One reason we "think" that way, aside from "religious" indoctrination which is the real source, is that we were taught in elementary school that:
(+=+) ... and ... (-=-) ... and like the east and the west, the twain shall never meet (so it has been said, in error).
(+=+) associated with (-=-) becomes then dualistically (+/-) where the "higher" is considered by most the "most valuable" ...
But given this "valuation" factor, the "lower", as in darkness, relative to light, is forced to take the role of "undesirable" and knowing itself a valid necessary co-equal (yet opposite) "partner" with light, takes offense at the lessor consideration of "judgment" and resists with associated "conflict" ...
The judgmental nature of the more "righteous" tends to condemn the relationship and places a gap or void (/) in between the parties (+/-).
With the universal truth and perennial wisdom, one can know that duality should be transcended with trinity ... the void and gap (/) of duality should be replaced with the "connector", the commonality and mediator, the spirit of GOD as the third member of trinity as (=) ... (+=-) !
Of course that "appears" on the surface to the dualist, as a "paradox", unacceptable to them. They will remain objectors and continue to conflict with universal truth because they will not yet accept the paradox.
To LGLG (Let Go Let GOD) resolves the paradox issue and results in lasting peace all around where the extremes of natural diversity are able, and more than willing, able to use their natural and unique talents cooperatively for the win/win result of creative synergy.
Paradox Rocks !!!
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One reason we "think" that way, aside from "religious" indoctrination which is the real source, is that we were taught in elementary school that:
(+=+) ... and ... (-=-) ... and like the east and the west, the twain shall never meet (so it has been said, in error).
(+=+) associated with (-=-) becomes then dualistically (+/-) where the "higher" is considered by most the "most valuable" ...
But given this "valuation" factor, the "lower", as in darkness, relative to light, is forced to take the role of "undesirable" and knowing itself a valid necessary co-equal (yet opposite) "partner" with light, takes offense at the lessor consideration of "judgment" and resists with associated "conflict" ...
The judgmental nature of the more "righteous" tends to condemn the relationship and places a gap or void (/) in between the parties (+/-).
With the universal truth and perennial wisdom, one can know that duality should be transcended with trinity ... the void and gap (/) of duality should be replaced with the "connector", the commonality and mediator, the spirit of GOD as the third member of trinity as (=) ... (+=-) !
Of course that "appears" on the surface to the dualist, as a "paradox", unacceptable to them. They will remain objectors and continue to conflict with universal truth because they will not yet accept the paradox.
To LGLG (Let Go Let GOD) resolves the paradox issue and results in lasting peace all around where the extremes of natural diversity are able, and more than willing, able to use their natural and unique talents cooperatively for the win/win result of creative synergy.
Paradox Rocks !!!
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Forty Days and Forty Nights ... ?
Since before Thanksgiving I have been in the hospital(s) resulting from a serious ATV accident while trail building up a steep mountain ridge near home. It was there that I totaled out my machine and my entire right hip ...
It is a very interesting story in it's own right what with all that was involved in how I was able to be found and rescued by local volunteers, being carried out in the dark on a board stretcher, finally transferred between various vehicles to wards the bottom from 4x4 to ambulance(s) that had me in the hospital about 7 hours after the incident.
The first hospital in Montana questioned their ability to "fix" me, normally sending such injuries on to a larger facility near Seattle, but they decided to try ... it failed and required my airlift to Spokane two states away to repair via two more surgeries involving many metal plates and associated screws and threaded rods for adjustment.
There arose many complications and setbacks requiring 16 days in the CCU (Critical Care Unit) where I was at my lowest possible point often desiring to just be dead and over with it all.
But alas, I am still here pondering the reason and/or meaning of it all from the spiritual point of view. As many who know me are aware, I have claimed a spirituality that I swear by ... that seemed to just drop out of sight during that entire hospital ordeal like I had dropped down into lower level where there was no compassionate GOD to be had ...
I now wonder if it were not related to the experience of Jesus walking the wilderness dealing with Satan etc ... maybe a testing "right of passage" ... ???
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977610042 )
It is a very interesting story in it's own right what with all that was involved in how I was able to be found and rescued by local volunteers, being carried out in the dark on a board stretcher, finally transferred between various vehicles to wards the bottom from 4x4 to ambulance(s) that had me in the hospital about 7 hours after the incident.
The first hospital in Montana questioned their ability to "fix" me, normally sending such injuries on to a larger facility near Seattle, but they decided to try ... it failed and required my airlift to Spokane two states away to repair via two more surgeries involving many metal plates and associated screws and threaded rods for adjustment.
There arose many complications and setbacks requiring 16 days in the CCU (Critical Care Unit) where I was at my lowest possible point often desiring to just be dead and over with it all.
But alas, I am still here pondering the reason and/or meaning of it all from the spiritual point of view. As many who know me are aware, I have claimed a spirituality that I swear by ... that seemed to just drop out of sight during that entire hospital ordeal like I had dropped down into lower level where there was no compassionate GOD to be had ...
I now wonder if it were not related to the experience of Jesus walking the wilderness dealing with Satan etc ... maybe a testing "right of passage" ... ???
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977610042 )
What the (center of) CHRISTIAN CROSS REALLY STANDS FOR ... another more esoteric viewpoint.
This will be an attempt to explain "a" symbolic meaning for the Christian Cross ... as it applies to any individual's true relationship to it.
I suggest a little mental exercise, not a difficult one, rather simple, relax and give it a try.
First picture a simple unadorned cross against a white background ... recognize that it has two major aspects, the horizontal "line" and the vertical "line" ... most of all realize that those two lines INtersect at the Center. There in the very center of said Cross is the crossroad, the very "junction-point" DoorWay to GOD.
That Center is Truly representative of a Balance Point rather than a polarizing extreme which a particular "end" of a line, designated dualistically as positive (+) and "good" would mean in the "traditional sense" which "required" it's opposite, the negative (-) or "bad" at the "other" end of said line ...
One line at a time here for best understanding ... ("best" understanding being the esoteric meaning as opposed to the common exoteric meaning).
Humanity, and most Christians in particular, tend to do the "judgmental thing" in seeing things from a linear scale such as their existence upon a horizontal line with "perfection" at the positive (+) end which they call good, love and God ...
Then at the "other" (opposite) end, the end that they deem negative (-), lies the "wrong" choices in life, that which is to be avoided and fought off because it is destructive, fearful and hateful ... "evil" ... Such are the "judgments" associated with linear dualistic (+/-) thinking ...
Those very same "judgments" could as well be applied to human dualistic perceptions of a "vertical" line as well as the horizontal ...
Next let us speak of the vertical line, having agreed for the purpose of this discussion that the human condition, as described already, was associated with the horizontal line.
Let us for the sake of this example call the vertical line the "Divine Designator" where it would stand for that "other realm" where God was the positive (+) at the very top and Satan stood represented by the negative (-) at the very bottom ... naturally we would call PERFECTION to be the Top of said line ...
But how many "Church Authorities" mention these two lines of THE CROSS ??? I suspect that most preach utilizing ONLY ONE line ... (remember the admonishment that one must "never fence sit in the middle of the line" ? That being a "grey area" subject to the clutches of Satan himself and his enticements ... that one should always strive for the "far right" of righteousness, as close to God/Christ as one can get ... yet all are advised that they can never achieve an "actual union" during this lifetime ... so say the preachers.
I propose that such linear striving is much akin to attempting to reach the "pot of gold" at the "end of a rainbow" ... (like a tiger chasing it's tail).
All of this because of "dualistic" thinking about extremes and ends, with a self generated VOID [symbolized in duality (+/-) via the (/) in between said choices], a "place" undefinable that you cannot "put your finger on" and thus fear as an unknown that could be Dangerous ... after all, it is right next to the linear theoretical point where evil actually begins ... best to stay way clear of "that" ... right ?
WRONG ... (IMnsHO anyway) ...
Lets go back to that Cross' INtersection ... allow that the very SPIRIT of GOD resides the strongest as a NEUTRAL (=) PRESENCE right there IN BETWEEN ALL POTENTIAL EXTREMES ... designated symbolically as a TRINITY of (+=-) ...
Said SPIRIT being The Bridge (=) that CAN UNITE the extremes, an INclusive presence based upon non-judgmental UNconditional Love with "no strings" attached .
Said SPIRIT doing away with the previous VOID (/) of duality, changing the "old" (EXclusive) duality of (+/-) via TRANSCENDENCE to a the Trinity of (+=-) ... (+=-)>(+/-) !!!
How can that work you might ask ??? ... well, let us go back to the picture of said cross on the original white background ... then picture in our minds as a staring point or beginning, ourselves standing at said intersection as the physically manifested creation of GOD ...
If we were to use only the one horizontal line for physical reference, as said before, we would gravitate to the extreme end we called good (+) in order to get closer to God or Christ ... and naturally, as said before, stay way away from the "other" end.
BUT ... still standing at the very center for proper perspective of the whole ... let us "imagine" the real truth as it really is ... that each of those "line ends", both horizontal and vertical, do NOT END, they actually are part of a complete spherical circle that continue on, turning back on themselves, and coming together again out of our "sight" culminating in GOD ... and only "there" could there be any potential final judgment ... if any.
Point being ... that everything is interconnected and relative withIN our UNIverse as a Part of GOD ... INterconnected via Spirit as the Neutral Balance Point (=) of each and every whole natural truth which IS A RELATIVE PERFECTION !!!
With Spirit all is perfect as it should be and to each their diverse own, hopefully in cooperative and thus creative synergy, but also allowed, is our free choice to do otherwise, even fearful hateful and destructive things ... BUT ... Spirit keeps track via KARMIC ACCOUNTING and what goes around comes around, sometime in the bigger picture of eternity (not always evident in this singular lifetime) ...
Meaning that it should NOT be GOD that we seek as residing at some extreme end of some scale, but GOD's Spirit that resides already withIN each of us at our highest truth realization which would be our personal Soul realization and perfection as what we are meant to achieve during this very lifetime ... after that, all proceeds automatically on our continuing journey resulting in the ultimate UNITY with our ALPHA SOURCE culminating at the OMEGA ENDING where for the first time we realize that we began there ...
Sorry, it took more words than I intended ... but the TRUTH THAT SETS ONE FREE is contained withIN this "message" ...
Again, considering our individual perspectives of being centered in that Cross INtersection, we are protected from any potential evil because in that sense Spirit is between it and us actually attempting to show each of us the proper path and way back to our source ... non-judgmentally.
And also, each and every one of us is a singular cross among an infinity of such crosses that are all interconnected spiritually across the complete sphere of what is both GOD AND our UNIVERSE ...
I hope that someone was helped to see the greater picture of our unified inter-connective relationship(s) ... :-) Jerry Kays, Nov 8, 2008, 1:37pm EST
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977501383 )
I suggest a little mental exercise, not a difficult one, rather simple, relax and give it a try.
First picture a simple unadorned cross against a white background ... recognize that it has two major aspects, the horizontal "line" and the vertical "line" ... most of all realize that those two lines INtersect at the Center. There in the very center of said Cross is the crossroad, the very "junction-point" DoorWay to GOD.
That Center is Truly representative of a Balance Point rather than a polarizing extreme which a particular "end" of a line, designated dualistically as positive (+) and "good" would mean in the "traditional sense" which "required" it's opposite, the negative (-) or "bad" at the "other" end of said line ...
One line at a time here for best understanding ... ("best" understanding being the esoteric meaning as opposed to the common exoteric meaning).
Humanity, and most Christians in particular, tend to do the "judgmental thing" in seeing things from a linear scale such as their existence upon a horizontal line with "perfection" at the positive (+) end which they call good, love and God ...
Then at the "other" (opposite) end, the end that they deem negative (-), lies the "wrong" choices in life, that which is to be avoided and fought off because it is destructive, fearful and hateful ... "evil" ... Such are the "judgments" associated with linear dualistic (+/-) thinking ...
Those very same "judgments" could as well be applied to human dualistic perceptions of a "vertical" line as well as the horizontal ...
Next let us speak of the vertical line, having agreed for the purpose of this discussion that the human condition, as described already, was associated with the horizontal line.
Let us for the sake of this example call the vertical line the "Divine Designator" where it would stand for that "other realm" where God was the positive (+) at the very top and Satan stood represented by the negative (-) at the very bottom ... naturally we would call PERFECTION to be the Top of said line ...
But how many "Church Authorities" mention these two lines of THE CROSS ??? I suspect that most preach utilizing ONLY ONE line ... (remember the admonishment that one must "never fence sit in the middle of the line" ? That being a "grey area" subject to the clutches of Satan himself and his enticements ... that one should always strive for the "far right" of righteousness, as close to God/Christ as one can get ... yet all are advised that they can never achieve an "actual union" during this lifetime ... so say the preachers.
I propose that such linear striving is much akin to attempting to reach the "pot of gold" at the "end of a rainbow" ... (like a tiger chasing it's tail).
All of this because of "dualistic" thinking about extremes and ends, with a self generated VOID [symbolized in duality (+/-) via the (/) in between said choices], a "place" undefinable that you cannot "put your finger on" and thus fear as an unknown that could be Dangerous ... after all, it is right next to the linear theoretical point where evil actually begins ... best to stay way clear of "that" ... right ?
WRONG ... (IMnsHO anyway) ...
Lets go back to that Cross' INtersection ... allow that the very SPIRIT of GOD resides the strongest as a NEUTRAL (=) PRESENCE right there IN BETWEEN ALL POTENTIAL EXTREMES ... designated symbolically as a TRINITY of (+=-) ...
Said SPIRIT being The Bridge (=) that CAN UNITE the extremes, an INclusive presence based upon non-judgmental UNconditional Love with "no strings" attached .
Said SPIRIT doing away with the previous VOID (/) of duality, changing the "old" (EXclusive) duality of (+/-) via TRANSCENDENCE to a the Trinity of (+=-) ... (+=-)>(+/-) !!!
How can that work you might ask ??? ... well, let us go back to the picture of said cross on the original white background ... then picture in our minds as a staring point or beginning, ourselves standing at said intersection as the physically manifested creation of GOD ...
If we were to use only the one horizontal line for physical reference, as said before, we would gravitate to the extreme end we called good (+) in order to get closer to God or Christ ... and naturally, as said before, stay way away from the "other" end.
BUT ... still standing at the very center for proper perspective of the whole ... let us "imagine" the real truth as it really is ... that each of those "line ends", both horizontal and vertical, do NOT END, they actually are part of a complete spherical circle that continue on, turning back on themselves, and coming together again out of our "sight" culminating in GOD ... and only "there" could there be any potential final judgment ... if any.
Point being ... that everything is interconnected and relative withIN our UNIverse as a Part of GOD ... INterconnected via Spirit as the Neutral Balance Point (=) of each and every whole natural truth which IS A RELATIVE PERFECTION !!!
With Spirit all is perfect as it should be and to each their diverse own, hopefully in cooperative and thus creative synergy, but also allowed, is our free choice to do otherwise, even fearful hateful and destructive things ... BUT ... Spirit keeps track via KARMIC ACCOUNTING and what goes around comes around, sometime in the bigger picture of eternity (not always evident in this singular lifetime) ...
Meaning that it should NOT be GOD that we seek as residing at some extreme end of some scale, but GOD's Spirit that resides already withIN each of us at our highest truth realization which would be our personal Soul realization and perfection as what we are meant to achieve during this very lifetime ... after that, all proceeds automatically on our continuing journey resulting in the ultimate UNITY with our ALPHA SOURCE culminating at the OMEGA ENDING where for the first time we realize that we began there ...
Sorry, it took more words than I intended ... but the TRUTH THAT SETS ONE FREE is contained withIN this "message" ...
Again, considering our individual perspectives of being centered in that Cross INtersection, we are protected from any potential evil because in that sense Spirit is between it and us actually attempting to show each of us the proper path and way back to our source ... non-judgmentally.
And also, each and every one of us is a singular cross among an infinity of such crosses that are all interconnected spiritually across the complete sphere of what is both GOD AND our UNIVERSE ...
I hope that someone was helped to see the greater picture of our unified inter-connective relationship(s) ... :-) Jerry Kays, Nov 8, 2008, 1:37pm EST
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977501383 )
GOD, how do "YOU" spell ? ... and how MANY are there ? ... a compilation of thoughts and linked articles. (just for the record).
Having been led here http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977227932 again by a Gather prompt, I reread the thread, with delight and wonder at the intelligence and wisdom displayed overall ... the title (HOW MANY GODS ARE THERE? 0, 1 or 2 ?) got my attention mostly though, because I have since "changed my own tune" as expressed in my own much more recent article and thread : GOD, ultimate truth ... God and god(s), less and lesser truths. ... in said article I wrote because of all of the confusion I have seen concerning many "Religious" views and the "conflicts" there-from as to the "nature of their (seemingly) differing God(s)".
As I read down this thread I copied and pasted the portions of comments that most impressed me, given what I wanted to say about it all in light of my latest "revelation" (my above linked GOD article).
I highly recommend that this article of Thomas' (the first link here) be reread in it's entirety, but for those wanting a "short-cut", at least, finish reading this comment. :-)
The abbreviated quotes follow: (with a few remarks of mine interspersed)
"" As I recall, the Hindu scriptures tell us, "How many gods are there? There are three thousand, three hundred and thirty-three. How many gods are there? There are three hundred and thirty three. How many gods are there? There are thirty-three. How many gods are there? There are three. How many gods are there? There is one." Thus the multiple gods of the Hindus boil down to just One. Isn't that interesting? It seems that ancient wisdom saw that people used and still use multiple gods to help them understand the many faces or facets of God. Many Christians believe in not 2, but 4 gods. The father, the son, the holy ghost and the devil. Christians deny having more than one God at the same time they are building Satan up as so powerful he is a worthy adversary for God. Jews and Muslims believe in only one. Several other monolithic religions exist according to what I have read. Donald Hawley, Jan 12, 2008, 7:10pm EST ""
The above is very related to the esoteric understanding of the "thirds" (1/3 or .3333x) of the Trinity or Hindu Trimurti) ... (+=-) of the BET. ImnsHO
"" However, the God of logic would, by it's very nature, be singular. The first cause, the uncaused case, the power of the universe, the universal intellect. I know that a singular God appeals to my sense of logic. James C., Jan 13, 2008, 1:46am EST ""
The very meaning of UNI as in UNIverse or UNIt, is ONE (1) ...
"" Thomas, if you go the the Enumu Elish, and for that matter most other Polytheistic Systems you will find a Single God in change with lesser gods doing the grunt work. The Christian Religion has as many, or more immortals than most of the pagan faiths.
Christianity is set up like a typical bureaucracy, there is the Bureau of Creation, the Bureau of Salvation, and The Bureau of Spirituality. They have names, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each of these departments of heaven have Thousands of Bureaucrats, Saints for the Department of Salvation, Angels for the Department of Holy Spirit, and this super mechanistic creation department that seems to enforce all the laws of physics and biology. It should be fairly easy to understand why there is so much controversy about the concept of One God when you consider that Angels, speaking to His Holy Highness in the early days of the creation suggested that humans should be prevented from becoming godlike, and God evidently agreed, commanding humans not to learn the difference between right and wrong or the secret of eternal life, "Lest they Become like Us," to quote the angels. Karl Leuba , Jan 13, 2008, 9:30am EST ""
Enemu Elish reminded me of the Sumerian Tablets which are the earliest known "writings" to which all of our present religious beliefs are derived from, and that which prompted my own "change in beliefs" ... mentioned earlier concerning my own linked article.
"" ... God has no such observable parts or constructs. To prove the existence of God it is first necessary to propose characteristics of God. The general proposition is "God is everything." This limits God to a singularity, there is only one "everything." It is impossible for there to be more than one god...and it is impossible for their to be less than zero god. Therefore, by your definition god is divided into two parts by the judgement of mankind into Good God and Evil God. God reserves to god the right to judge between good and evil. And we are back to the first crime. Learning to judge good and evil. My calculations indicate that 1+(-1) = 0. So, there is no god, or god is both all good and all evil. I still come up with a zero balance. So, I will conclude, there is One God, encompasing all good and all evil, or there is no god since all good negates all evil leaving only the neutral zero. Karl Leuba , Jan 13, 2008, 9:56am EST ""
The very deep and logical thinking expressed above goes well with my own view of (+=-)>(+/-) because the expression of duality as (+/-) actually does end up as the "math" of Karl's shows. It being a Binary system such as our digital computers use of 1 and 0 ... the "truth of extremes" of "polarization" ...
Yet with the allowance and participation of "THE" Spirit of GOD as the third part of the Trinity expressed as (=), we get (+=-) where Love bridges the Gap (/) of Duality (+/-) and resolves it's conflicts, allowing cooperative peace and synergistic creation of a win/win nature rather than the win/lose of dualism.
"" ... I still believe strongly that the "God Thing" is an innate "light house" guiding us even though we are incapable intrinsically of ever understanding or adequately verbalizing what "IT" is. We are veritable infants in the vast universe. Donald Hawley, Jan 13, 2008, 6:26pm EST ""
"IT" is the Spirit (=) withIn each of us ...
"" Everything that exists, that is real, falls into one of two categories - either material or spiritual. We perceive the material through our five senses. We perceive the spiritual through the faculty of our soul. One is as valid as the other. If we are physically blind we don't perceive through that faculty. If we are spiritually blind, that is if our soul is fettered by materialism, we don't perceive through that faculty. Thomas Millington, Jan 13, 2008, 7:32pm EST ""
"" ... The most prevelant belief, which of course can not be "proved," is that the "oneness" from which the many came and will return, is the one God most people believe to be "true." ... William Cottringer, Jan 14, 2008, 10:58am EST ""
"" ... Rather, Christians believe, correctly, that the devil WISHES TO BE GOD AND TRIES TO TAKE THE PLACE OF GOD. That's what makes him the devil because, as Christians know, there is only one God (correctly spelled with an uppercase "G"). ... Elizabeth V., Apr 26, 2008, 9:31am EDT ""
Well said, but what we believe in will manifest for us as our reality ... to believe in a Satan grants that thought power (FEAR) in our lives. IMnsHO.
"" The ancient Israelite concept of God was of a formless, unnamed spirit presence in creation, which exists equally in everyone and everything without any hierarchal placement, much liker the Buddhist concept. ... Bent Lorentzen, Apr 26, 2008, 11:44am EDT ""
Which may well show that the present Religious view of Christianity has been "contrived" (by "priests") into the hierarchy it has become where "they" have placed themselves as the "middle-men" (gods) between man and God/GOD for the their own purposes of power and control ...
"" ... Thus I see the ONE God as the TOTALITY of ALL from a UNIVERSAL perspective ... this of course does NOT in any way limit the possibility of anything OUTside of our UNIverse of consideration ... and at this point I would ask, why consider (seriously) any other, prior to getting a better handle on our own ? Therefore, in my estimation, there is no greater, nor more important (same thing I suppose I will be corrected), "number" than THAT ONE (1) !!! ... Jerry Kays, Apr 27, 2008, 10:22pm EDT ""
ONE (1) IS the greatest number in the UNIverse because it stands for UNITy ... all else is but a "fraction" of THAT ONE (GOD) ... IMnsHO.
"" Doesn't the Book Of Genesis say "And God Said Let Us Create Man In OUR Image" - which is a summary of the much earlier Sumerian creation story... The most ancient religions had multiple Gods, Gods with a hierarchy. Doesn't it seem logical , if you believe that these might have been people from an earlier more advanced civilization, that these Gods were only men after all... ... What would happen if something were to be found that proved conclusively that advanced civilizations did exist, that the Gods of old were real, that they did have flying machines.... all the stuff that scientific minds write about but are dismissed as being crackpots. It would turn religion upside down for sure... But just imagine what if....... Tony P., Apr 28, 2008, 6:47pm EDT ""
AWH ... that comment is the crux of my beliefs ... all should look into the recent (relatively) deciphering of the Sumerian Tablets such as done by Zecharia Sitchin http://www.geocities.com/sitchin_links/sitchin.html ...
"" ... I am positive (in my mind, and that is as good as anybody else's conclusion) that there are gods (under the One God) and that many of them are liars, and have even claimed to be God ... there are "realms" and "dimensions" beyond our knowing ... some "beings" of some of those realms most likely have the ability to manifest and unmanifest for the likes of us ... pretty miraculous stuff for the simple minded ... why they/we might even think one such was a god ... and if "miracles" were performed and that being claimed to be God even ... I suspect it just might be believed and the word passed on until writing allowed that method of continuation of beliefs ... IMnsHO.
Jerry Kays, Apr 28, 2008, 9:48pm ED ""
AMEN ... if I don't say so myself ! :-)
"" From what I've read even in Judaism, there were certain pre-Levitical sects who believed in 'El' and 'Asherah', God the Father and His female Consort. In the old testament, you have sons of God (by extension gods themselves to me) mating with women. The Trinity was developed, from what I've read, after the apostles and only became part of the orthodoxy with the later church fathers. So, the Biblical literature itself (prudence) coupled with experience where life offers hints and various experiences (skepticism) that there certainly is more at play here then One God. The old Gods never died....or so they say.... Kevin F , Apr 28, 2008, 10:12pm EDT ""
In effect even more support for what I am suggesting ...
"" .... Without God's wisdom, which he gives freely to those who humbly and sincerely seek, we will continue to be fooled regarding ALL information and influence about satan's existance and his potent abilities to deceive......Sandy A., Oct 30, 2008, 12:01pm EDT ""
And of course that was related to my most recent discussions with Sandy elsewhere ... http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977488818
Because this is such an important and interesting subject, I would hope that some few (at least) would be now inclined to reread the original entire thread, possibly continue the discussion here, and, for sure :-) ... read and comment on my own linked (in blue) earlier ...
Sorry about the length and complexity of this post ... as I said, it is more for the record than anything ... but for the willing I would appreciate any dialogue via comments.
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977496659 )
As I read down this thread I copied and pasted the portions of comments that most impressed me, given what I wanted to say about it all in light of my latest "revelation" (my above linked GOD article).
I highly recommend that this article of Thomas' (the first link here) be reread in it's entirety, but for those wanting a "short-cut", at least, finish reading this comment. :-)
The abbreviated quotes follow: (with a few remarks of mine interspersed)
"" As I recall, the Hindu scriptures tell us, "How many gods are there? There are three thousand, three hundred and thirty-three. How many gods are there? There are three hundred and thirty three. How many gods are there? There are thirty-three. How many gods are there? There are three. How many gods are there? There is one." Thus the multiple gods of the Hindus boil down to just One. Isn't that interesting? It seems that ancient wisdom saw that people used and still use multiple gods to help them understand the many faces or facets of God. Many Christians believe in not 2, but 4 gods. The father, the son, the holy ghost and the devil. Christians deny having more than one God at the same time they are building Satan up as so powerful he is a worthy adversary for God. Jews and Muslims believe in only one. Several other monolithic religions exist according to what I have read. Donald Hawley, Jan 12, 2008, 7:10pm EST ""
The above is very related to the esoteric understanding of the "thirds" (1/3 or .3333x) of the Trinity or Hindu Trimurti) ... (+=-) of the BET. ImnsHO
"" However, the God of logic would, by it's very nature, be singular. The first cause, the uncaused case, the power of the universe, the universal intellect. I know that a singular God appeals to my sense of logic. James C., Jan 13, 2008, 1:46am EST ""
The very meaning of UNI as in UNIverse or UNIt, is ONE (1) ...
"" Thomas, if you go the the Enumu Elish, and for that matter most other Polytheistic Systems you will find a Single God in change with lesser gods doing the grunt work. The Christian Religion has as many, or more immortals than most of the pagan faiths.
Christianity is set up like a typical bureaucracy, there is the Bureau of Creation, the Bureau of Salvation, and The Bureau of Spirituality. They have names, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Each of these departments of heaven have Thousands of Bureaucrats, Saints for the Department of Salvation, Angels for the Department of Holy Spirit, and this super mechanistic creation department that seems to enforce all the laws of physics and biology. It should be fairly easy to understand why there is so much controversy about the concept of One God when you consider that Angels, speaking to His Holy Highness in the early days of the creation suggested that humans should be prevented from becoming godlike, and God evidently agreed, commanding humans not to learn the difference between right and wrong or the secret of eternal life, "Lest they Become like Us," to quote the angels. Karl Leuba , Jan 13, 2008, 9:30am EST ""
Enemu Elish reminded me of the Sumerian Tablets which are the earliest known "writings" to which all of our present religious beliefs are derived from, and that which prompted my own "change in beliefs" ... mentioned earlier concerning my own linked article.
"" ... God has no such observable parts or constructs. To prove the existence of God it is first necessary to propose characteristics of God. The general proposition is "God is everything." This limits God to a singularity, there is only one "everything." It is impossible for there to be more than one god...and it is impossible for their to be less than zero god. Therefore, by your definition god is divided into two parts by the judgement of mankind into Good God and Evil God. God reserves to god the right to judge between good and evil. And we are back to the first crime. Learning to judge good and evil. My calculations indicate that 1+(-1) = 0. So, there is no god, or god is both all good and all evil. I still come up with a zero balance. So, I will conclude, there is One God, encompasing all good and all evil, or there is no god since all good negates all evil leaving only the neutral zero. Karl Leuba , Jan 13, 2008, 9:56am EST ""
The very deep and logical thinking expressed above goes well with my own view of (+=-)>(+/-) because the expression of duality as (+/-) actually does end up as the "math" of Karl's shows. It being a Binary system such as our digital computers use of 1 and 0 ... the "truth of extremes" of "polarization" ...
Yet with the allowance and participation of "THE" Spirit of GOD as the third part of the Trinity expressed as (=), we get (+=-) where Love bridges the Gap (/) of Duality (+/-) and resolves it's conflicts, allowing cooperative peace and synergistic creation of a win/win nature rather than the win/lose of dualism.
"" ... I still believe strongly that the "God Thing" is an innate "light house" guiding us even though we are incapable intrinsically of ever understanding or adequately verbalizing what "IT" is. We are veritable infants in the vast universe. Donald Hawley, Jan 13, 2008, 6:26pm EST ""
"IT" is the Spirit (=) withIn each of us ...
"" Everything that exists, that is real, falls into one of two categories - either material or spiritual. We perceive the material through our five senses. We perceive the spiritual through the faculty of our soul. One is as valid as the other. If we are physically blind we don't perceive through that faculty. If we are spiritually blind, that is if our soul is fettered by materialism, we don't perceive through that faculty. Thomas Millington, Jan 13, 2008, 7:32pm EST ""
"" ... The most prevelant belief, which of course can not be "proved," is that the "oneness" from which the many came and will return, is the one God most people believe to be "true." ... William Cottringer, Jan 14, 2008, 10:58am EST ""
"" ... Rather, Christians believe, correctly, that the devil WISHES TO BE GOD AND TRIES TO TAKE THE PLACE OF GOD. That's what makes him the devil because, as Christians know, there is only one God (correctly spelled with an uppercase "G"). ... Elizabeth V., Apr 26, 2008, 9:31am EDT ""
Well said, but what we believe in will manifest for us as our reality ... to believe in a Satan grants that thought power (FEAR) in our lives. IMnsHO.
"" The ancient Israelite concept of God was of a formless, unnamed spirit presence in creation, which exists equally in everyone and everything without any hierarchal placement, much liker the Buddhist concept. ... Bent Lorentzen, Apr 26, 2008, 11:44am EDT ""
Which may well show that the present Religious view of Christianity has been "contrived" (by "priests") into the hierarchy it has become where "they" have placed themselves as the "middle-men" (gods) between man and God/GOD for the their own purposes of power and control ...
"" ... Thus I see the ONE God as the TOTALITY of ALL from a UNIVERSAL perspective ... this of course does NOT in any way limit the possibility of anything OUTside of our UNIverse of consideration ... and at this point I would ask, why consider (seriously) any other, prior to getting a better handle on our own ? Therefore, in my estimation, there is no greater, nor more important (same thing I suppose I will be corrected), "number" than THAT ONE (1) !!! ... Jerry Kays, Apr 27, 2008, 10:22pm EDT ""
ONE (1) IS the greatest number in the UNIverse because it stands for UNITy ... all else is but a "fraction" of THAT ONE (GOD) ... IMnsHO.
"" Doesn't the Book Of Genesis say "And God Said Let Us Create Man In OUR Image" - which is a summary of the much earlier Sumerian creation story... The most ancient religions had multiple Gods, Gods with a hierarchy. Doesn't it seem logical , if you believe that these might have been people from an earlier more advanced civilization, that these Gods were only men after all... ... What would happen if something were to be found that proved conclusively that advanced civilizations did exist, that the Gods of old were real, that they did have flying machines.... all the stuff that scientific minds write about but are dismissed as being crackpots. It would turn religion upside down for sure... But just imagine what if....... Tony P., Apr 28, 2008, 6:47pm EDT ""
AWH ... that comment is the crux of my beliefs ... all should look into the recent (relatively) deciphering of the Sumerian Tablets such as done by Zecharia Sitchin http://www.geocities.com/sitchin_links/sitchin.html ...
"" ... I am positive (in my mind, and that is as good as anybody else's conclusion) that there are gods (under the One God) and that many of them are liars, and have even claimed to be God ... there are "realms" and "dimensions" beyond our knowing ... some "beings" of some of those realms most likely have the ability to manifest and unmanifest for the likes of us ... pretty miraculous stuff for the simple minded ... why they/we might even think one such was a god ... and if "miracles" were performed and that being claimed to be God even ... I suspect it just might be believed and the word passed on until writing allowed that method of continuation of beliefs ... IMnsHO.
Jerry Kays, Apr 28, 2008, 9:48pm ED ""
AMEN ... if I don't say so myself ! :-)
"" From what I've read even in Judaism, there were certain pre-Levitical sects who believed in 'El' and 'Asherah', God the Father and His female Consort. In the old testament, you have sons of God (by extension gods themselves to me) mating with women. The Trinity was developed, from what I've read, after the apostles and only became part of the orthodoxy with the later church fathers. So, the Biblical literature itself (prudence) coupled with experience where life offers hints and various experiences (skepticism) that there certainly is more at play here then One God. The old Gods never died....or so they say.... Kevin F , Apr 28, 2008, 10:12pm EDT ""
In effect even more support for what I am suggesting ...
"" .... Without God's wisdom, which he gives freely to those who humbly and sincerely seek, we will continue to be fooled regarding ALL information and influence about satan's existance and his potent abilities to deceive......Sandy A., Oct 30, 2008, 12:01pm EDT ""
And of course that was related to my most recent discussions with Sandy elsewhere ... http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977488818
Because this is such an important and interesting subject, I would hope that some few (at least) would be now inclined to reread the original entire thread, possibly continue the discussion here, and, for sure :-) ... read and comment on my own linked (in blue) earlier ...
Sorry about the length and complexity of this post ... as I said, it is more for the record than anything ... but for the willing I would appreciate any dialogue via comments.
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977496659 )
Our Politics associated with the Symbolism of Good and Evil
Sometimes symbols speak louder than words ... this is NOT an anti-Semite discussion, just a use of a symbolization that "they" also use ... but I will not deny the applicability of it in the esoteric sense.
This also was inspired by an ongoing debate/dialog/discussion/argument now taking place on many threads concerning what may or may not be behind the questions about the authenticity in regards to Obama's "legality" to be a presidential candidate ... (in case you have not heard of this subject view article associated with the active link at the bottom of this post). This post is a comment made there and is entered here mainly for my own records ... respond if you like. :-)
Speaking of bottom lines ... I think that I will waste a couple moments attempting to draw a mental picture for those really interested in what is going on from a metaphysical perspective ... I will here speak of two intersecting but opposing hierarchies ... think of the Jewish mogen (Star of) David symbol representing this idea ...
Let us call the "upper" hierarchy that of God with God residing at the upper apex and His Kingdom extending down from that Heavenly area broadening out as it reached "it's" bottom line ... within that triangle all have a chance for the Truth of God's grace and advancement "up" into heaven ...
Now I could get much more detailed in this with positives and negatives along with equal signs ... but I will give all a break and leave all of that out and everyone can use their own imaginations as to where they would apply ... :-)
Now that we have "outlined" the heavenly of the "good" territory ... let's next speak of it's "opposite" ...
The lower inverted triangle has it's apex then at the very bottom and it's "top-line" overlaps that of God's "bottom line" ... the territory between those two lines is neutral territory where we reside and are subject to going either direction, up to heaven or down to hell (allegorically speaking of course) ... depending upon who (which apex) most influences us during this lifetime ... good above or evil below ...
Now we all, most, or some of us, know that God has certain "hopes" for us, that we will see the "light" and rise above the troubles generated by and in the darkness below nearer to the so-called "evil" apex ... thus God has certain standards called truth and evil (I will NOT go so far as dignifying evil by giving it a "master" with a name such as Satan here) is full of lies and deceit ...
Now if anyone has followed this "picture" this far yet, it should be a very simple mental exercise, especially if religious, to see that the evil in this world has a lot of very intelligent and powerful "help" from areas "above" OR "below", depending upon "perception" of relationships, that of known leadership positions and orthodox authority positions ... meaning, to me at least, that there very well (most likely) are peoples pulling the strings of our known puppets ... such as the leadership positions of the RNC and the DNC ... not to mention the candidates themselves ...
Now for those who will still insist that everything is just as our "leaders" want us to believe, on the up and up, that they are honest and would not resort to dirty tricks ... or "heaven forbid" ... conspire ... then someone is very foolish and naive ... and I do not believe it is I.
This post originally a comment on: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977487978 Jerry Kays, Oct 27, 2008, 3:22am EDT
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977489687 )
This also was inspired by an ongoing debate/dialog/discussion/argument now taking place on many threads concerning what may or may not be behind the questions about the authenticity in regards to Obama's "legality" to be a presidential candidate ... (in case you have not heard of this subject view article associated with the active link at the bottom of this post). This post is a comment made there and is entered here mainly for my own records ... respond if you like. :-)
Speaking of bottom lines ... I think that I will waste a couple moments attempting to draw a mental picture for those really interested in what is going on from a metaphysical perspective ... I will here speak of two intersecting but opposing hierarchies ... think of the Jewish mogen (Star of) David symbol representing this idea ...
Let us call the "upper" hierarchy that of God with God residing at the upper apex and His Kingdom extending down from that Heavenly area broadening out as it reached "it's" bottom line ... within that triangle all have a chance for the Truth of God's grace and advancement "up" into heaven ...
Now I could get much more detailed in this with positives and negatives along with equal signs ... but I will give all a break and leave all of that out and everyone can use their own imaginations as to where they would apply ... :-)
Now that we have "outlined" the heavenly of the "good" territory ... let's next speak of it's "opposite" ...
The lower inverted triangle has it's apex then at the very bottom and it's "top-line" overlaps that of God's "bottom line" ... the territory between those two lines is neutral territory where we reside and are subject to going either direction, up to heaven or down to hell (allegorically speaking of course) ... depending upon who (which apex) most influences us during this lifetime ... good above or evil below ...
Now we all, most, or some of us, know that God has certain "hopes" for us, that we will see the "light" and rise above the troubles generated by and in the darkness below nearer to the so-called "evil" apex ... thus God has certain standards called truth and evil (I will NOT go so far as dignifying evil by giving it a "master" with a name such as Satan here) is full of lies and deceit ...
Now if anyone has followed this "picture" this far yet, it should be a very simple mental exercise, especially if religious, to see that the evil in this world has a lot of very intelligent and powerful "help" from areas "above" OR "below", depending upon "perception" of relationships, that of known leadership positions and orthodox authority positions ... meaning, to me at least, that there very well (most likely) are peoples pulling the strings of our known puppets ... such as the leadership positions of the RNC and the DNC ... not to mention the candidates themselves ...
Now for those who will still insist that everything is just as our "leaders" want us to believe, on the up and up, that they are honest and would not resort to dirty tricks ... or "heaven forbid" ... conspire ... then someone is very foolish and naive ... and I do not believe it is I.
This post originally a comment on: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977487978 Jerry Kays, Oct 27, 2008, 3:22am EDT
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977489687 )
The Reason for Electoral Polarization and what it means for our Future ...
Once upon a time, a long while back, a man was born called Adam ... then about the same time there was a woman born called Eve ...
At first they saw each other as equals and their "parent" as the ultimate equal (=) ... all "three" loving each other equally (=) and unconditionally ... a very happy "family" with very few differences ... none that were a "problem" ... their unity was cooperative and creatively synergistic, what differences they had they called natural diversity and used their unique talents toward a common goal ... there was peace and prosperity in the valley garden !
They, the man and the woman, then "came together" and children were "created" ... but the first two children were boys who later became men ... and they became "confused" because the "balance" no longer existed and the "original parent" (=) was "replaced with the "two" more immediate parent(s) ...
In their confusion, one of the boys took after dad and the other took after mom and became, rather than equals (=), opposites (+/-) and began to fight about it ... there had arisen a Gap or Void (/) where before was a "Bridge" (=) of equality ...
The "original Trinity" (+=-) of overall Balance, Dad Adam (+), Parent GOD (=), and Mom Eve (-) became distorted with Dualistic views (+/-) by the kids ... they could no longer "see" the "distant" original "parent" and the Natural Trinity (+=-) and it's value (love) and meaning for their future ...
In their (the kids) minds there was just two parents, they did NOT know of or believe in "Old Grand Parent" ... so they took up "sides" of opposition based upon jealousy and fear of each other ...
One kid identified with Dad and called himself a conservative republican and did not much see anything to like in the brother who identified with Mom and called himself a liberal democrat ... now, remember, they were really both very confused and unity with cooperation was not seen as useful ... in fact they feared each other rather than loved each other ... maybe they had sensed a gap developing in their own parents who's attention had been diverted from the original parent by the squabbles of the kids who consumed so much time with problems ... maybe some "favoritism" developed in the parents to match that of the kids looking in the other direction ... (?) ... whatever, problems multiplied because the former peace associated with unity and loving cooperation was no longer so evident ...
Eventually all HELL broke loose when the one kid killed the other kid ... and nothing has been as good ever since ...
The moral of the story, and the offered lesson, is that with a Trinity of Love (+=-) there will be peace in the valley and cooperative synergism resulting in creative Utopian conditions ... where each and all are "winners" using their natural diversity to help each other solve any common problems that might arise ...
The alternative being non-cooperative conflict across the Void (/) of misunderstanding and distrust causing FEAR and ever more of the same all around ... resulting in nothing but conflict and eventual destruction of the one by the other ... lions and hawks killing off the lambs and doves ... the men killing the women and the conservatives killing the liberals ...
Does this ring any bells at all with anyone ... ???
(+=-)>(+/-) ... IMnsHO. ... :-)
Jerry Kays, Oct 24, 2008, 12:09pm EDT (originally placed as comment on Devin Barber's post http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977485610
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977487616 )
At first they saw each other as equals and their "parent" as the ultimate equal (=) ... all "three" loving each other equally (=) and unconditionally ... a very happy "family" with very few differences ... none that were a "problem" ... their unity was cooperative and creatively synergistic, what differences they had they called natural diversity and used their unique talents toward a common goal ... there was peace and prosperity in the valley garden !
They, the man and the woman, then "came together" and children were "created" ... but the first two children were boys who later became men ... and they became "confused" because the "balance" no longer existed and the "original parent" (=) was "replaced with the "two" more immediate parent(s) ...
In their confusion, one of the boys took after dad and the other took after mom and became, rather than equals (=), opposites (+/-) and began to fight about it ... there had arisen a Gap or Void (/) where before was a "Bridge" (=) of equality ...
The "original Trinity" (+=-) of overall Balance, Dad Adam (+), Parent GOD (=), and Mom Eve (-) became distorted with Dualistic views (+/-) by the kids ... they could no longer "see" the "distant" original "parent" and the Natural Trinity (+=-) and it's value (love) and meaning for their future ...
In their (the kids) minds there was just two parents, they did NOT know of or believe in "Old Grand Parent" ... so they took up "sides" of opposition based upon jealousy and fear of each other ...
One kid identified with Dad and called himself a conservative republican and did not much see anything to like in the brother who identified with Mom and called himself a liberal democrat ... now, remember, they were really both very confused and unity with cooperation was not seen as useful ... in fact they feared each other rather than loved each other ... maybe they had sensed a gap developing in their own parents who's attention had been diverted from the original parent by the squabbles of the kids who consumed so much time with problems ... maybe some "favoritism" developed in the parents to match that of the kids looking in the other direction ... (?) ... whatever, problems multiplied because the former peace associated with unity and loving cooperation was no longer so evident ...
Eventually all HELL broke loose when the one kid killed the other kid ... and nothing has been as good ever since ...
The moral of the story, and the offered lesson, is that with a Trinity of Love (+=-) there will be peace in the valley and cooperative synergism resulting in creative Utopian conditions ... where each and all are "winners" using their natural diversity to help each other solve any common problems that might arise ...
The alternative being non-cooperative conflict across the Void (/) of misunderstanding and distrust causing FEAR and ever more of the same all around ... resulting in nothing but conflict and eventual destruction of the one by the other ... lions and hawks killing off the lambs and doves ... the men killing the women and the conservatives killing the liberals ...
Does this ring any bells at all with anyone ... ???
(+=-)>(+/-) ... IMnsHO. ... :-)
Jerry Kays, Oct 24, 2008, 12:09pm EDT (originally placed as comment on Devin Barber's post http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977485610
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977487616 )
Take over the world conspiracy ... or just good pragmatic planning ?
In the last couple of days I have come across some startling information that I feel compelled to share ... Sarah Palin's potential part (?) ... just for the record ... yes, take out the "Jewish" aspect, leaving the "essence" of the underlying "implications" of "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" (which I have written of before) and you may well find that the links I will provide here reflect just such nefarious planning for the eventual "One World Order" ...
These (at least one of them) are a bit lengthy because there is much convincing information presented, and both are very well researched and footnoted ... so take some time and find out what has been going on behind your backs ... please, Conservative Evangelicals take note ...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10167
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/165994-The-Dominionism-Apostasy-The-Despoiling-of-America-by-Christianity-turned-Evil
Please leave your two bits worth AFTER READING the whole offering ... JUST FOR THE RECORD.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977458015&nav=Namespace
The above linked article added Oct 1 because it is so related and important ... please read it and comment there also ...
(REPRINT FROM: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977457095 )
These (at least one of them) are a bit lengthy because there is much convincing information presented, and both are very well researched and footnoted ... so take some time and find out what has been going on behind your backs ... please, Conservative Evangelicals take note ...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10167
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/165994-The-Dominionism-Apostasy-The-Despoiling-of-America-by-Christianity-turned-Evil
Please leave your two bits worth AFTER READING the whole offering ... JUST FOR THE RECORD.
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977458015&nav=Namespace
The above linked article added Oct 1 because it is so related and important ... please read it and comment there also ...
(REPRINT FROM: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977457095 )
GOD, ultimate truth ... God and god(s), less and lesser truths.
This basically a recent comment needing more exposure, no doubt it will be controversial.
Ultimate Truth is the ONLY Truth that matters ... That Truth is the Truth that will set you Free ... it is the "Basic Equation of Truth" symbolized as the BET (+=-)>(+/-).
As far as I am concerned, I learned that from GOD via my own Soul connection through a special "awakening" and subsequent "INtuitive Learning" ... (one would have to read my book to know what that was all about, unless they also had a similar experience as some have).
Truth is relative on this human realm of egoic division (believe it or not), but when it comes to the GOD as the totality of everything, GOD then becomes the absolute standard for all else in the universe of which this world is but a very small part ... yet the Hu-Man is not only a world occurrence, we represent so much more from the universal perspective of GOD due to commonalities we hold to all of sentient creation on and in many realms and levels (dimensions) of spirit.
So my relationship to GOD is a "panentheistic" relationship (any interested can do a Google to Wiki) and that to me means that the God of the earth institutionalized religions associated with Old Testament Bible were actually created by god(s) and use God in place of GOD.
Bottom line, god(s) help (?) people on earth to unite behind a God of their design ... for a purpose earth related. Such god(s) are spiritual beings but NOT of the highest vibration (divine energy), yet they know themselves related to GOD and serve a useful function for the greater purpose ... they and their "Religions" are but a relative "1st Grade" class of beginning organized teaching of the masses ... the subject has been God in a Dualistic sense of (+/-) because that is what most people deal in via their egos and the only thing that most understand ... probably related to the lack of love and predominance of fear in their lives.
People are easily led because they feel relatively powerless and seek a leader type that seems powerful enough to take care of them ... the problem has been that their standards are so low that they have allowed leaders to gain power who are not so interested in their well-being as much as their own ... such leaders and authorities tend to tell lies to maintain their positions of power and they institutionalize it all as has the Catholic Church and many others.
They then make many rules for the followers to obey ... in the name of God ... claiming that the God of the world ... and insinuating that "He" is the very GOD of the Universe ... NOT !!!
The GOD of the UNIverse makes no rules and regulations for us to follow ... leaves that all up to creation itself, including all Gods, gods, and even each of us ... because we are each and all a part of THAT GOD and make up the totality of.
There is nothing in this universal creation that is not spiritually interconnected, that includes even the rocks ... yet the higher up the energy level of frequency vibrations associated with space/time the closer we each (aspect) gets to the GOD of the WHOLE ... thus man is less than god(s) and can have a spiritual connection to god(s) which may well be less, but not necessarily so, than a connection to God ... but any connection DIRECT (from your higher Self, your Soul withIN) to GOD is as high as it gets and over-rules any other possible connections found through god(s) and God(s) ... believe it or not.
So the point being for this article is that we are each a Spiritual aspect of GOD over and above anything else ... as such we are a miniature (so to speak) (+=-) GOD ... beware the God and god(s) that are but relative Dualistic aspects of (+/-) ...
Thus whatever is done to any aspect of creation on this level and realm matters the most involving intention ... is what we do more about fear or love, lying or truth ??? Nothing else is as important !!!
Whether a baby or an adult human life is terminated here on earth never destroys any part of the Spiritual Total, there is never any "Ill Effect" upon GOD ... the only affects will be upon our own Soul aspects of GOD involving our eternal lessons of coming ever closer to GOD ... the accounting is done by Spirit (The Spirit of GOD) and is commonly called the KARMIC process ... what goes around comes around, cause and effect, and as I said, what counts the very most is our INTENTIONS !!!
IMnsHO. Jerry Kays, Aug 22, 2008, 3:54pm EDT
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977429033 ) <<< WELL WORTH THE READ INCLUDING MANY COMMENTS !
Ultimate Truth is the ONLY Truth that matters ... That Truth is the Truth that will set you Free ... it is the "Basic Equation of Truth" symbolized as the BET (+=-)>(+/-).
As far as I am concerned, I learned that from GOD via my own Soul connection through a special "awakening" and subsequent "INtuitive Learning" ... (one would have to read my book to know what that was all about, unless they also had a similar experience as some have).
Truth is relative on this human realm of egoic division (believe it or not), but when it comes to the GOD as the totality of everything, GOD then becomes the absolute standard for all else in the universe of which this world is but a very small part ... yet the Hu-Man is not only a world occurrence, we represent so much more from the universal perspective of GOD due to commonalities we hold to all of sentient creation on and in many realms and levels (dimensions) of spirit.
So my relationship to GOD is a "panentheistic" relationship (any interested can do a Google to Wiki) and that to me means that the God of the earth institutionalized religions associated with Old Testament Bible were actually created by god(s) and use God in place of GOD.
Bottom line, god(s) help (?) people on earth to unite behind a God of their design ... for a purpose earth related. Such god(s) are spiritual beings but NOT of the highest vibration (divine energy), yet they know themselves related to GOD and serve a useful function for the greater purpose ... they and their "Religions" are but a relative "1st Grade" class of beginning organized teaching of the masses ... the subject has been God in a Dualistic sense of (+/-) because that is what most people deal in via their egos and the only thing that most understand ... probably related to the lack of love and predominance of fear in their lives.
People are easily led because they feel relatively powerless and seek a leader type that seems powerful enough to take care of them ... the problem has been that their standards are so low that they have allowed leaders to gain power who are not so interested in their well-being as much as their own ... such leaders and authorities tend to tell lies to maintain their positions of power and they institutionalize it all as has the Catholic Church and many others.
They then make many rules for the followers to obey ... in the name of God ... claiming that the God of the world ... and insinuating that "He" is the very GOD of the Universe ... NOT !!!
The GOD of the UNIverse makes no rules and regulations for us to follow ... leaves that all up to creation itself, including all Gods, gods, and even each of us ... because we are each and all a part of THAT GOD and make up the totality of.
There is nothing in this universal creation that is not spiritually interconnected, that includes even the rocks ... yet the higher up the energy level of frequency vibrations associated with space/time the closer we each (aspect) gets to the GOD of the WHOLE ... thus man is less than god(s) and can have a spiritual connection to god(s) which may well be less, but not necessarily so, than a connection to God ... but any connection DIRECT (from your higher Self, your Soul withIN) to GOD is as high as it gets and over-rules any other possible connections found through god(s) and God(s) ... believe it or not.
So the point being for this article is that we are each a Spiritual aspect of GOD over and above anything else ... as such we are a miniature (so to speak) (+=-) GOD ... beware the God and god(s) that are but relative Dualistic aspects of (+/-) ...
Thus whatever is done to any aspect of creation on this level and realm matters the most involving intention ... is what we do more about fear or love, lying or truth ??? Nothing else is as important !!!
Whether a baby or an adult human life is terminated here on earth never destroys any part of the Spiritual Total, there is never any "Ill Effect" upon GOD ... the only affects will be upon our own Soul aspects of GOD involving our eternal lessons of coming ever closer to GOD ... the accounting is done by Spirit (The Spirit of GOD) and is commonly called the KARMIC process ... what goes around comes around, cause and effect, and as I said, what counts the very most is our INTENTIONS !!!
IMnsHO. Jerry Kays, Aug 22, 2008, 3:54pm EDT
(reprint from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977429033 ) <<< WELL WORTH THE READ INCLUDING MANY COMMENTS !
The KISS between the Discursive and the Intuitive.
Way too complicated for me are so many things and ideas ... I would rather deal in essential basics ... such as that there is a God. This God is considered panentheistically as a part of a holographic universe ... in fact this God IS that universe.
That universe contains the infinities of polar oppositions in two potentials, positive (+) and negative (-) ... they are interconnected with a neutral Spiritual energy that is the karmic intelligence of the totality, the agent of God and symbolized as (=) completing a Trinity of (+=-) which is the BET [Basic Equation of Truth] as the universal (+=-).
( ) Universe
(+) God
(-) Creation
(=) Connective Spirit of God
(+=-) the Total package of Balance and overall harmony.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
(+/-) World Dualism
( ) World as related to second order as in (God)/(World) [world under and thus less than God]
(+) Positive Potential related to whatever, people, things, acts, etc.
(-) Negative Potential related to whatever, people, things, acts, etc.
(/) The divisional Gap or Void that separates differences in a world where Spirit is not related to as the (=) in Trinity above. (/) is all about misunderstanding, fear, hatred, and often conflicts, power and control between differences.
These are the BASIC BUILDING BLOCKS of REALITY ...
(+=-) a True Spiritual Reality.
(+/-) a Lesser World Reality
To know the differences and the relationships of the preceding above, is all one really needs to know about the entire subject, there really is no need to become deeply involved with :
Allegory, Apologue, Analogy, Answer, Aphorism, Axiom, Antinomy, Concept, Epistemology, Falsehood, Hermeneutics, Law, Metaphor, Metaphysics, Maxim, Ontology, Philosophy, Principle, Proverb, Question, Rhetoric, Sophistry, Simile, Theorem, Truth, ... etc.
All one needs to know is the KISS ... Keep It Simple Stupid ... principle, and everything else will fall into place and become known as needed INtuitively ... IMnsHO.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977390715 )
That universe contains the infinities of polar oppositions in two potentials, positive (+) and negative (-) ... they are interconnected with a neutral Spiritual energy that is the karmic intelligence of the totality, the agent of God and symbolized as (=) completing a Trinity of (+=-) which is the BET [Basic Equation of Truth] as the universal (+=-).
( ) Universe
(+) God
(-) Creation
(=) Connective Spirit of God
(+=-) the Total package of Balance and overall harmony.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
(+/-) World Dualism
( ) World as related to second order as in (God)/(World) [world under and thus less than God]
(+) Positive Potential related to whatever, people, things, acts, etc.
(-) Negative Potential related to whatever, people, things, acts, etc.
(/) The divisional Gap or Void that separates differences in a world where Spirit is not related to as the (=) in Trinity above. (/) is all about misunderstanding, fear, hatred, and often conflicts, power and control between differences.
These are the BASIC BUILDING BLOCKS of REALITY ...
(+=-) a True Spiritual Reality.
(+/-) a Lesser World Reality
To know the differences and the relationships of the preceding above, is all one really needs to know about the entire subject, there really is no need to become deeply involved with :
Allegory, Apologue, Analogy, Answer, Aphorism, Axiom, Antinomy, Concept, Epistemology, Falsehood, Hermeneutics, Law, Metaphor, Metaphysics, Maxim, Ontology, Philosophy, Principle, Proverb, Question, Rhetoric, Sophistry, Simile, Theorem, Truth, ... etc.
All one needs to know is the KISS ... Keep It Simple Stupid ... principle, and everything else will fall into place and become known as needed INtuitively ... IMnsHO.
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977390715 )
The BOTTOM line connection to FREEDOM
Freedom as a "word" drummed into the heads of the citizenry, has been taken by too many to mean selfishness and excessive pride, in thinking of what they have in relationship to those who do not have, neither freedom or enough wealth, to even survive day to day ... we are told to wave our flag and be proud of our country in the name of freedom and doing good for others, that it is our "goodness" in the form of our willingness to set goals and work for our future, that has made us prosperous and great, that anyone can succeed and be very wealthy, or even become the president of the nation by gosh ... follow in the footsteps of GWB ... if he can do it anyone can.
Our earth world is now just too electronically and transport interconnected to any longer ignore the plight of so many that live in "third world" conditions ...
It is past time for "nationalisms" to exist, based upon dog eat dog competition and the concept of dualistic divisions between winners and losers (+/-) where those on the "wrong" (-) side of the divide (/) are considered less, because they are deemed lazy and therefore deserving of less in every way, even death by disease, starvation, and genocidal wars.
The examples that this nation shows to the world, what we actually do in reality, not what we "tell them" in propaganda lies, has basically amounted to, "do as I say, not as I do" ...as the message sent out to all.
9/11 should be a glaring example of such "blow back" repercussions ... but our leadership in their duplicity, lies to us yet and tells us it was only because "they" hate our freedoms ... the truth being that "they" hate our excesses, which come from the freedom of our multinational corporations to make deals with corrupt leaders set up by our wealth in "their" third world nations, to rape the land and people of natural resources at "their" expense (losers) for our gain (winners) ...
The capitalistic "game" of life in the form of "big business" is highly "rigged" and lied about ... most of the rest of the world knows this and highly resents it ... we here in our nation prefer to believe what we are told by our leadership ... that we are good, would do no such harm to others in the world, and that it is only, because they are lazy and ungrateful for all we done for them, do they hate us ... and thus they deserve everything bad that happens to them ...
We promote the flag waving, our young sign up to "pay them back" and off to war on terrorism we go, to conquer the world and make it free again ... free enough for the multinationals to continue raping as before ... business as usual ... out of sight out of mind ... what a way to run a world.
World is a key word here ... it is our world AND it is their world ... we share it physically ... we know that, yet we seek to better the powerful ones, as we make the others weaker, by competition rather than cooperation world wide. Somehow we think that the neglected will "just go away" ... but they will not ... but they will, bite back, like 9/11 ... and like the "gorilla action" going on where our military is now active ...
Our actions in this world are allegorically like the human body brushing it's teeth, combing it's hair, washing it's face and smiling in the mirror saying "how nice" ... while having ignored wiping it's butt ...
What is now "out of sight" and now "out of mind" ... cannot be ignored forever, it is a connected part of the whole body (world) and must be properly maintained ... or it can (will) eventually turn cancerous and destroy the whole body (world) ...
We have ALL been DIVIDED mentally by propaganda in every way to think that dualistic competition between the "good guys" (winners)(our head and face) can go on forever, where the "bad guys" (losers) (our butts) can be ignored completely ... as IF there were no real connection, either physically ... or spiritually ... the latter being actually really more important than the former.
There is an unseen "leadership" hiding behind it's excessive wealth, wealth that provides them power and benefit, they reside in anonymity pulling the strings of the purchased leadership we have elected, the very puppets provided from above, in so many cases, for us to "think" that they were actually selected and chosen from the bottom up by us, rather than the top down by "them", that via long range planning by "their" think tanks.
The point I hope to make, is that these hidden leaders, out of sight, act like god(s) all-powerfully pulling the strings of control here on earth ... if they are, or were, "gods", they would be the "evil" kind ... because they only have concern for their own bottom lines and ultimate survival of them and theirs ... to hell, they think, with the rest of this world ... as "they" live in a MATERIALISTIC "heaven" ... and so many others here on earth do live in a materialistic hell. (+/-)
This is all because of dualistic competitive advantage based upon the method of hiding out of sight manipulating those others below in a "divide and conquer" ploy, where both "sides" of that resulting division BELOW (+/-), are actually controlled by what they are told and what they are given, to relate to each other on a competitive basis ... even calling each other the "enemy" (conservatives against liberals ?) ... all the while, most important, the real movers and shakers above, control it all out of sight basically.
The excessive evidence of "them" is occasionally seen, mostly on TV programs, as opulent riches in the world such as huge yachts anchored in exotic tropical locals around the world and life styles, even above that of the "Rich and Famous" that the TV program has shown us ... which of course are meant for us to believe that if we stay focused (on the treadmill), that we also can live like them ... uh huh, sure thing.
Bottom line, end of story, the REAL TRUTH :
That is all the playing out of a rigged duality (+/-) called healthy competition ... winner/loser.
There REALLY IS a GOD ... we call it God (+) ... God has a SPIRIT (=) that is everywhere, even right INside of us all, interconnecting the entire world and universe together ... that, world physicality, is what we see as creation in the objective physical sense, what would be (-) in relationship to God and Spirit ... all together a TRINITY of (+=-) ...
THAT IS THE TRUTH OF OUR UNIVERSE ... a COOPERATIVE SPIRITUAL TRINITY ... (+=-) ... NOT a dualistic competitive winner/loser (+/-).
The Spirit (=) [of God (+)] ... bridges the voids between man (-) and that which is truly heavenly and truly good ... WANTS US ALL TO BE PROSPEROUS IN EVERY WAY !!!
That is the MOST IMPORTANT message we should all learn ... IF ... we really want a better world for our offspring ... it is really our choice whether we wipe our butts or not ... ain't nobody else gonna do it for us ...
Jerry Kays, Jul 3, 2008, 3:50pm EDT (the above a comment made on a thread (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977388759&nav=Namespace) by Thomas Millington today)
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977389055 )
Our earth world is now just too electronically and transport interconnected to any longer ignore the plight of so many that live in "third world" conditions ...
It is past time for "nationalisms" to exist, based upon dog eat dog competition and the concept of dualistic divisions between winners and losers (+/-) where those on the "wrong" (-) side of the divide (/) are considered less, because they are deemed lazy and therefore deserving of less in every way, even death by disease, starvation, and genocidal wars.
The examples that this nation shows to the world, what we actually do in reality, not what we "tell them" in propaganda lies, has basically amounted to, "do as I say, not as I do" ...as the message sent out to all.
9/11 should be a glaring example of such "blow back" repercussions ... but our leadership in their duplicity, lies to us yet and tells us it was only because "they" hate our freedoms ... the truth being that "they" hate our excesses, which come from the freedom of our multinational corporations to make deals with corrupt leaders set up by our wealth in "their" third world nations, to rape the land and people of natural resources at "their" expense (losers) for our gain (winners) ...
The capitalistic "game" of life in the form of "big business" is highly "rigged" and lied about ... most of the rest of the world knows this and highly resents it ... we here in our nation prefer to believe what we are told by our leadership ... that we are good, would do no such harm to others in the world, and that it is only, because they are lazy and ungrateful for all we done for them, do they hate us ... and thus they deserve everything bad that happens to them ...
We promote the flag waving, our young sign up to "pay them back" and off to war on terrorism we go, to conquer the world and make it free again ... free enough for the multinationals to continue raping as before ... business as usual ... out of sight out of mind ... what a way to run a world.
World is a key word here ... it is our world AND it is their world ... we share it physically ... we know that, yet we seek to better the powerful ones, as we make the others weaker, by competition rather than cooperation world wide. Somehow we think that the neglected will "just go away" ... but they will not ... but they will, bite back, like 9/11 ... and like the "gorilla action" going on where our military is now active ...
Our actions in this world are allegorically like the human body brushing it's teeth, combing it's hair, washing it's face and smiling in the mirror saying "how nice" ... while having ignored wiping it's butt ...
What is now "out of sight" and now "out of mind" ... cannot be ignored forever, it is a connected part of the whole body (world) and must be properly maintained ... or it can (will) eventually turn cancerous and destroy the whole body (world) ...
We have ALL been DIVIDED mentally by propaganda in every way to think that dualistic competition between the "good guys" (winners)(our head and face) can go on forever, where the "bad guys" (losers) (our butts) can be ignored completely ... as IF there were no real connection, either physically ... or spiritually ... the latter being actually really more important than the former.
There is an unseen "leadership" hiding behind it's excessive wealth, wealth that provides them power and benefit, they reside in anonymity pulling the strings of the purchased leadership we have elected, the very puppets provided from above, in so many cases, for us to "think" that they were actually selected and chosen from the bottom up by us, rather than the top down by "them", that via long range planning by "their" think tanks.
The point I hope to make, is that these hidden leaders, out of sight, act like god(s) all-powerfully pulling the strings of control here on earth ... if they are, or were, "gods", they would be the "evil" kind ... because they only have concern for their own bottom lines and ultimate survival of them and theirs ... to hell, they think, with the rest of this world ... as "they" live in a MATERIALISTIC "heaven" ... and so many others here on earth do live in a materialistic hell. (+/-)
This is all because of dualistic competitive advantage based upon the method of hiding out of sight manipulating those others below in a "divide and conquer" ploy, where both "sides" of that resulting division BELOW (+/-), are actually controlled by what they are told and what they are given, to relate to each other on a competitive basis ... even calling each other the "enemy" (conservatives against liberals ?) ... all the while, most important, the real movers and shakers above, control it all out of sight basically.
The excessive evidence of "them" is occasionally seen, mostly on TV programs, as opulent riches in the world such as huge yachts anchored in exotic tropical locals around the world and life styles, even above that of the "Rich and Famous" that the TV program has shown us ... which of course are meant for us to believe that if we stay focused (on the treadmill), that we also can live like them ... uh huh, sure thing.
Bottom line, end of story, the REAL TRUTH :
That is all the playing out of a rigged duality (+/-) called healthy competition ... winner/loser.
There REALLY IS a GOD ... we call it God (+) ... God has a SPIRIT (=) that is everywhere, even right INside of us all, interconnecting the entire world and universe together ... that, world physicality, is what we see as creation in the objective physical sense, what would be (-) in relationship to God and Spirit ... all together a TRINITY of (+=-) ...
THAT IS THE TRUTH OF OUR UNIVERSE ... a COOPERATIVE SPIRITUAL TRINITY ... (+=-) ... NOT a dualistic competitive winner/loser (+/-).
The Spirit (=) [of God (+)] ... bridges the voids between man (-) and that which is truly heavenly and truly good ... WANTS US ALL TO BE PROSPEROUS IN EVERY WAY !!!
That is the MOST IMPORTANT message we should all learn ... IF ... we really want a better world for our offspring ... it is really our choice whether we wipe our butts or not ... ain't nobody else gonna do it for us ...
Jerry Kays, Jul 3, 2008, 3:50pm EDT (the above a comment made on a thread (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977388759&nav=Namespace) by Thomas Millington today)
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977389055 )
RELIGION VERSUS SCIENCE ... PAST VERSUS FUTURE ... PURITY OR NOT ?
Maybe in the base essence of the thoughtful choices as to our present and our projected future ... we have two base choices ... according to the argument here now.
1) Go with Religious tradition based upon the historic past, and generally only as interpreted back then, relying upon a very few "books" that are deemed inviolate as regards to the truth ...
Of course there are differing Religions with differing concepts about all of that, and they seem not to be able to agree, or even to agree to disagree, in too many cases, resulting in much conflict world wide. A conflict of differing hierarchies and their dogmas ... Or ...
2) Take the route of Science based upon research ongoing, always seeking "the next step" in a purely logical and rational methodology, dealing in pure facts that alone are considered truth.
This type of research then would seem to limit itself to only the common 5 objective senses that man considers "reliable" ... pure objectivity ... the idea that the individual ego is the epitome of evolutionary advancement ... and that the most logical and rational ego that can consistently compile the most facts along with having the ability to defend them, should be the "leader(s)" ...
A scientific hierarchy that is trusted without question by the mere population in general who have not been so well endowed with intellect and "position" within the hierarchy. Trusted leader(s) and the masses of followers just going along ...
Can "such" leaders really be trusted though? What might take place when one hierarchy comes to feel "threatened" by another, and takes the current research from a peaceful use to a weaponized use to control the feared or hated "other" ... Survival of the "fittest" ???
Where does "morality" come into play in all of this ... or does it ?
What about our "other" long history of Philosophy and it's various branches of inquiry into the differences between the noumenal and the phenomenal ?
Do we throw out epistemology and ontology ?? Completely disregard the history of metaphysical questioning just like you would religious inquiry ?
Should we completely reject INtuitive considerations in the pursuit of logical and rational reasoning only ?
Or ... could there be a Third Choice ???
3) Some kind of Balance, a generic spirituality that did take into consideration the potential possibility of a spiritual interconnection that transcends the egoic selfishness of man. ??? A panentheism maybe, rather than a theism. ???
Should we NOT have some consideration for individual inquiry, that cares about the entirety, a possible overarching continiuty to beginnings and endings, having a connection that could be involved with a transcendent loving as the higher truth we all surely seek in our hearts if not our minds ?
Jerry Kays, Jun 25, 2008, 11:12am EDT
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977382432 )
1) Go with Religious tradition based upon the historic past, and generally only as interpreted back then, relying upon a very few "books" that are deemed inviolate as regards to the truth ...
Of course there are differing Religions with differing concepts about all of that, and they seem not to be able to agree, or even to agree to disagree, in too many cases, resulting in much conflict world wide. A conflict of differing hierarchies and their dogmas ... Or ...
2) Take the route of Science based upon research ongoing, always seeking "the next step" in a purely logical and rational methodology, dealing in pure facts that alone are considered truth.
This type of research then would seem to limit itself to only the common 5 objective senses that man considers "reliable" ... pure objectivity ... the idea that the individual ego is the epitome of evolutionary advancement ... and that the most logical and rational ego that can consistently compile the most facts along with having the ability to defend them, should be the "leader(s)" ...
A scientific hierarchy that is trusted without question by the mere population in general who have not been so well endowed with intellect and "position" within the hierarchy. Trusted leader(s) and the masses of followers just going along ...
Can "such" leaders really be trusted though? What might take place when one hierarchy comes to feel "threatened" by another, and takes the current research from a peaceful use to a weaponized use to control the feared or hated "other" ... Survival of the "fittest" ???
Where does "morality" come into play in all of this ... or does it ?
What about our "other" long history of Philosophy and it's various branches of inquiry into the differences between the noumenal and the phenomenal ?
Do we throw out epistemology and ontology ?? Completely disregard the history of metaphysical questioning just like you would religious inquiry ?
Should we completely reject INtuitive considerations in the pursuit of logical and rational reasoning only ?
Or ... could there be a Third Choice ???
3) Some kind of Balance, a generic spirituality that did take into consideration the potential possibility of a spiritual interconnection that transcends the egoic selfishness of man. ??? A panentheism maybe, rather than a theism. ???
Should we NOT have some consideration for individual inquiry, that cares about the entirety, a possible overarching continiuty to beginnings and endings, having a connection that could be involved with a transcendent loving as the higher truth we all surely seek in our hearts if not our minds ?
Jerry Kays, Jun 25, 2008, 11:12am EDT
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977382432 )
THE LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE DIVIDE ... WHY ?
In today's political climate, there is a great divide between some Conservatives and some Liberals, that have played out here on Gather, and everywhere else, with a lot of conflict over being right and/or wrong, where one side accuses, and the other reacts in defense ... some just call that "cognitive bias" ... others see it as bigotry ... I am not sure, maybe I will have to Google the terms.
The one thing that stands out the most, is the "polarization" ... and I believe that is the result of unfair judgment where mere discernment would be more than sufficient.
When one person decides they are right and another is wrong, that is but a discernment, a personal subjective decision ... until it is acted out and affects the other person, the one considered wrong, in a negative way, such as a condemnation declaration ... that being an "expressed" judgment and a de facto "sentencing" ...
There would be no reaction by the second party, a natural defense, if they did not reject the initial judgment of the first party, so it comes down to action followed by reaction, cause and effect ... sometimes ad-infinitum.
Too many people feel they have the only truth on things, then, when another does not fit their example of what truth should be, the other is criticized, maybe even considered or called untruthful ...
There is only ONE TRUTH that could be considered Absolute, and that would be associated only with the best concept of God. All other concepts of truth would be but a fraction of the ONE (1) as in 1/x ... and would thus be "at best" relative truths, relative to other x's on the same (or different) level(s), but never FULLY equivalent to the (1). ... except ... for what I call the Basic Equation of Truth, the BET as (+=-) which IS UNIVERSAL TRUTH, that of God ! THE Absolute Truth ... IMnsHO.
So that might be stated, that there is no real truth but God's truth ... and it is God in the form of a Trinity relationship that makes up the Creation that IS God ... (+=-) where the complete "outer" unity of God would be defined by the pair of parentheses ( ), within which is contained every possible potential, (+) and (-), separated by, yet completely conjoined by, the Spirit of God (=), the equalizer of opposites, non-judgmental, yet fully discerning and karmically accounting ... (+=-) being the BET.
Short of THAT TRINITY (+=-), which results in peaceful cooperative harmony of natural diversities resulting in win/win synergy, we have but Dualism (+/-), which amounts to a judgmental dichotomy of conflicts where there is supposedly only one good and right, making all else less, bad and wrong ... of course that "naming" so often begins with the "righteous" labeling of the others BY the one the most militant about being right ... the way of our world today and getting worse it seems.
So in the end, we can rightly label as a tool for discernment, but should never be judgmental about it such that it insults and causes hard feelings ... anybody can be, say, a liberal or a conservative rightly and truthfully, it is no different than being a man or a woman, they are just facts of life and are nothing to be ashamed about or guilty of requiring defensiveness and conflict over ... let us instead find our natural Spiritual common ground in the middle (=) and work it all out based upon just that, agreeing to disagree if needed, but cooperating when we can for the synergy we are capable of and which God intends for us all ... Peace.
Jerry Kays, May 20, 2008, 5:11pm EDT
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977349739 )
The one thing that stands out the most, is the "polarization" ... and I believe that is the result of unfair judgment where mere discernment would be more than sufficient.
When one person decides they are right and another is wrong, that is but a discernment, a personal subjective decision ... until it is acted out and affects the other person, the one considered wrong, in a negative way, such as a condemnation declaration ... that being an "expressed" judgment and a de facto "sentencing" ...
There would be no reaction by the second party, a natural defense, if they did not reject the initial judgment of the first party, so it comes down to action followed by reaction, cause and effect ... sometimes ad-infinitum.
Too many people feel they have the only truth on things, then, when another does not fit their example of what truth should be, the other is criticized, maybe even considered or called untruthful ...
There is only ONE TRUTH that could be considered Absolute, and that would be associated only with the best concept of God. All other concepts of truth would be but a fraction of the ONE (1) as in 1/x ... and would thus be "at best" relative truths, relative to other x's on the same (or different) level(s), but never FULLY equivalent to the (1). ... except ... for what I call the Basic Equation of Truth, the BET as (+=-) which IS UNIVERSAL TRUTH, that of God ! THE Absolute Truth ... IMnsHO.
So that might be stated, that there is no real truth but God's truth ... and it is God in the form of a Trinity relationship that makes up the Creation that IS God ... (+=-) where the complete "outer" unity of God would be defined by the pair of parentheses ( ), within which is contained every possible potential, (+) and (-), separated by, yet completely conjoined by, the Spirit of God (=), the equalizer of opposites, non-judgmental, yet fully discerning and karmically accounting ... (+=-) being the BET.
Short of THAT TRINITY (+=-), which results in peaceful cooperative harmony of natural diversities resulting in win/win synergy, we have but Dualism (+/-), which amounts to a judgmental dichotomy of conflicts where there is supposedly only one good and right, making all else less, bad and wrong ... of course that "naming" so often begins with the "righteous" labeling of the others BY the one the most militant about being right ... the way of our world today and getting worse it seems.
So in the end, we can rightly label as a tool for discernment, but should never be judgmental about it such that it insults and causes hard feelings ... anybody can be, say, a liberal or a conservative rightly and truthfully, it is no different than being a man or a woman, they are just facts of life and are nothing to be ashamed about or guilty of requiring defensiveness and conflict over ... let us instead find our natural Spiritual common ground in the middle (=) and work it all out based upon just that, agreeing to disagree if needed, but cooperating when we can for the synergy we are capable of and which God intends for us all ... Peace.
Jerry Kays, May 20, 2008, 5:11pm EDT
(reprinted from: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977349739 )
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